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June 15, 2003 22:37 Lavar Taylor

Glad to be back among the living after my large case (set for trial in DC on Tuesday) settled late Friday. Today's featured item of postal history focuses on Hong Kong. This is a post card franked with a KEVII 4c stamp paying the post card rate to Germany. It is canceled with a Deutsche Ost-Asiatische Linie Seepost cancel, index letter C, dated Feb. 4, 1906. It is addressed to Sehlem, Germany, where it was received on March 10. I have noticed that German seepost cancels on HK stamps have been fetching high prices on ebay recently (too high it seems to me but what do I know). I grabbed this one at WESTPEX.

June 15, 2003 anne <abt19650@aol.com>

Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of Krispy Kremes, European travel, and stampers on trains. Anne

June 15, 2003 Brian R

I recommend you try the coffee flavored, filled variety. Pure heaven. :o)

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill Here's a link to a page with links to most of the national European railway companies. {:o)

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill The time factor is to be taken literarily. 5 days are five days - if you find train connections that serve you three countries, all with stops in one day, then a day is counted. That would be easy to do where Benelux, Germany and France borders to each other.
BTW... You have to pay extra for a "sleeper". If you can sleep in a seat, then you probably wouldn't mind to save the money.

June 15, 2003 17:01:51 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Paul, and of course you are right. A little more expensive, but potentially doable. The question still stands in regards to the days: If I travel in the AM from Netherlands to Belgium, spend a few hours sightseeing in Belgium, then travel in the afternoon (before 7PM) on to France, does that count as one day, even though there are two trips?

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill The offer says 1st class transport, which actually means you're quite sure on getting a seat (something one can't be when travelling 2nd class). But, you have to pay extra if you want to travel faster than a "slow train to China". 1st class on an ordinary train could mean you have to wait for hook-up connections. In Germany it's very normal to pay extra for almost anything more than a slow train. {:o)
Perhaps some of the other regulars knows more about train connections in Germany, benelux and France?

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill As mentioned: 5 days in 3 countries. You want to travel 4 countries (since Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg is regarded as Benelux - 1 entity). 5 days in 4 countries would be $396 - $40 extra. Hmm, perhaps your travel dream is within an arms length.
The travel days can be consecutive or non-consecutive, which means you can make the journey last 2 months, if you've got a place to stay for the remaining time. The total length of travel is 5 days, which should be sufficient (even though a train strike in France could mess up plans, one never knows when they strike).

June 15, 2003 16:44:23 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Paul, that sounds perfect! Denmark, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany, Denmark with maybe a Luxembourg in the middle somewhere... I'm unsure whether the five days thing allows two legs during the same day. If not, I'd have to skip a stop in one of the countries.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill OK, I've found something interesting. This is an offer very close to what you're looking for.
5 days in 3 countries within a 2 month period for $356. You're able to go from Denmark via Germany to France and back. Hmm, not bad. {:o)
Map over adjoining countries.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

NOIP

Yes, I confess. I'm not like other "normal" people. I'm terrible at wrapping things up nicely. My manners aren't that much better. If one expects to get an honest answer, then I'm the right person to ask (even though an honest answer isn't always welcome).

The most difficult aspect of communication is to get into the logistics of your fellow man's linguistics, since words do not always mean the same thing, even though they are spelled exactly the same.
It's difficult to explain in a foreign language. I experience those situations all of the time in my own language. Communication isn't easy at all - written communication is even harder since most people are not used to it anymore.

End of brainstorm. {:o)

June 15, 2003 Guillaume van T.

Anne Nice to see you back and in better health, missed your witty writing ways.

 

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill Perhaps it's just me and my perception of things... But, if you "live on a fixed income that is too little to pay my house payment and my savings " - why on Earth are you thinking of a rail trip through most of Western Europe? That's expensive! {:o/
It is a nice dream though... {:o)

I found this website specializing on overseas customers. Should give you something to work on. {:o)

First week of August... I'm in Latvia on vacation. I can still make you a list of things to see, visit in Copenhagen. {:o)

June 15, 2003 Anne

I try not to. I prefer croissants.

June 15, 2003 David Benson

I don't know if it's good or bad news, but Krispy Kreme Donuts are opening their 1st. franchise outside of the US not far from here.

To make this philatelic, anyone here collects donuts on stamps.

David Benson

June 15, 2003 02.37 pm Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_GB_Machins/
 

Colin

June 15, 2003 02.16 pm Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_GB_Machins/
 

Colin

June 15, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Davd - Thanks. I don't see any pen canceled ones, mostly what looks like indistinct cork cancels similar to ones found on other issues of the period. I sure wish I could find some reference books on the coat of arms issues, especially cancels, but it doesn't look like a real HOT area.

June 15, 2003 David Benson

espana, they are fiscals but some were used for postage, if mint or postal cancel they classified as postal, if pen then fiscal.

David Benson

June 15, 2003 1:46 pm Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

I've got several copies of the Bolivia 2c violet from 1887 (Scott # 25) that have a light red overprint "TIMBRE" on them. Any idea what it is? Is it a revenue useage?

June 15, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com/
 

Colin
Your link is verbotten on this machine.

June 15, 2003 01.17 pm Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_GB_Machins/
 

Colin

June 15, 2003 13:15:27 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

European trip
sveiki! (Paul), park benches are a little too much for me... :-) I was thinking more about a rail trip along the coast to France and then back by a different route. I live on a fixed income that is too little to pay my house payment and my savings (which are nearly depleted), so cheap is definately the word I'd like to use. If it turns out that my hopes are too high, I'll continue with what I have currently scheduled, which is a layover of a couple of hours in Copenhagen on my way back from Bergen.

June 15, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Norse stamp
Bjorn L: You probably did not understood the listing, it was SUPERB price!
;-)

June 15, 2003 David Benson

Bjorns, he has many other items described as superb (or other superlatives) that are in worse condition than that,

David Benson

June 15, 2003 Bjorn Munch (bjornmu)

Superb?
I've seen worse stamps described as "VF"... I just ignore them. The #7 I did buy on eBay a few years ago was indeed superb (and I paid $255) so I don't need another one...
 

June 15, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

Superb?
Norway 1863 3s grey #7 SUPERB $375 Cat . I am curious to know what kind of grading system this member of New Zealand Stamp Dealers Association subscribes to. In my book, the stamp is inferior, worth only a fraction of the opening bid.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

BTW... One of his motto's was: "If work is so healthy, why don't you give it to the sick!"

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Björn That election promise was made by an independent candidate with no political party - Jakob Haugaard. He promised backwind for all cyclists and other sorts of promises. He was elected for parliament and served all of the 4 years. That experience really cured his tendencies of making fun of the political, democratic system. As he said: "I've seen for myself that democracy is not just by name but also by gain". A couple of laws only passed by the help of his vote - he was the tongue on the weight scale, so to speak.

June 15, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com/
 

Paul
I love dutch strawberry ice cream sundaes.

June 15, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

While in Denamrk, go grocery shopping and bring as much food and booze as you can carry, within the limits of customs quota. Food and alcohol prices in Norway are vey high. Use the groceries to barter with the locals when you get to Norway. Red Danish Salami, full of fat and nitrates is a popular gift.

Denmark is very flat, so bicycle riding is a popular activity. One year a political party promised wind from the back for bicyclists in th eparliament election. They didn't win, so you'll have to put up with whatever wind direction nature provides.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

20 kroner is about $2.85 - and not what I wrote below.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bob in WA Just to visit Tivoli for an ice cone is pretty expensive. They charge 30 kroner (~ $4.25) entrance and don't have the best ice cones anymore. An ice cone costs from about 20 kroner (~ $2.10) for the smallest. There are different types of ice cones: Soft Ice, Gammeldaws (old fashioned), American and Mexican. I really don't remember all the differences, but I seem to remember that Gammeldaws is plain icecream balls in a cone (all sorts of diffrent tastes of icecream). The American ice cone is plain ice cream balls in a cone with whipped cream, jam and a chocolate coated sweet cream filled bun (danish: Flødebolle. Also known as negerkys *kiss of a negro*). The Mexican is a mix of plain ice cream balls and soft ice with the same things on top as the American one.

*darn* That sure made me hungry.... {:o)

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Bill Really, really inexpensive... *hehe* Grande Tour of Park Benches by Night. *LOL* {;o) Just couldn't help it...

There are many things that doesn't cost a lot. Really, really inexpensive is quite relative, depends on who you are, what your budget is.

Perhaps you should make a list of what you would like to do, that would be of great help, if you would like me to put together a program?! {:o)

June 15, 2003 9:27:06 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

I'm going to be in Norway for the first week in August. It might be possible for me to extend my layover in Copenhagen by a few days. Does anyone have suggestions for (really, really inexpensive) things I could do in Europe for those few days?

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Finished a photoshoot of the garden, which can be seen here. {:o)

Jim My wife sends many thanks for the compliments. {:o)

June 15, 2003 8:14 Dave ('philatarium')

Just a drive-by post to say that I'll be away from the computer for a good chunk of today, but will be checking in later on this afternoon (evening or morning for some of the rest of you!). I'll update the EUSC posts then, and respond to some of the excellent suggestions made on here. (And thanks for the kind words. Since this turned into more of a labor of love than I first anticipated(!!), I am encouraged by the postivie remarks.)

Happy Father's Day!

June 15, 2003 Laurel (laura598)

Knud-erik : oops I was so involved it the technical aspects of scanning I forgot to proof read what I wrote or look at the postal stamp. Thanks for the correction. I still am rather disappointed to hear you have no polar bears walking around. : ) Laura

 

June 15, 2003 Charles L. Williams

AMG Rates
hobbes9324.... Although there may be something out there in English, I am not aware of it. The MICHEL Postgebühren-Handbuch Deutschland has the information you requested.

June 15, 2003 05:33 Jim Watson

Threaded Board
The wonderful work of Dave in doing the transcript of the eUSC meeting postings shows just how effective an archive of related posts can be. Anne's suggestion is a good one but I'm sure that Dave knows how much work it can be. Perhaps a solution might be to have topic 'adopters' who would be responsible for one or more of the topics and collect all the posts on that topic.
Just my ½¢

June 15, 2003 05:15 Jim Watson

Paul,
Nice flowers!

June 15, 2003 05:14 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a commercial cover posted in Malta in 1886. It was a forerunner of the Paquebot procedure.

June 15, 2003 05.08 am Colin Judd (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_Japan_stamps
 

Colin

June 15, 2003 05:00 AM Jim Lawler <jlawler@comteck.com>

Jim L.

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

I'll be back later with my favorite cover(s) on this chat. {:o)

June 15, 2003 sveiki!

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

My wife's hobby: Rose, Some other flower

June 15, 2003 Victor Horadam <horadam1@airmail.net>

Soon to be off and exploring Boston and NY stamp shops.

June 15, 2003 David Benson

Dan, I presume you mean the back of the card, the front has the stamp and the cancel, the back has the pretty pictures,

David Benson

June 15, 2003 David Benson

dan, the seller is very shrewd even though he didn't know the cancel, he knew that Japanese collect and spend BIG money for unusual rates. He struck the lottery but not for the reason he thought. No good listing it under postcards, the bidders may not have noticed.

David Benson

June 15, 2003 4:14 dan (ddaannv) <ddaann@aol.com>

That Japanese postcard
David's post suggests the seller didn't know what he had, yet he didn't list it under the postcard section of ebay, and didn't provide a scan of the front of the card. How very interesting!
Dan

June 15, 2003 David Benson

orthorp, I sent an email to the seller and he didn't realise why it got that amount until I told him. I didn't know about it either until someone else mentioned it on Richard's site. The seller stated that no other country except Japan would have such an expensive cancel so modern.

David Benson

 

June 15, 2003 Dave P - orthorpteran

That Japanese postcard
Wow, now I would have just tossed that in a job lot. Proves two things, nothing beats specialist knowledge of your own and as many other subjects as you can manage and, despite its many faults, Ebay has a very strong and growing buyer base - five different serious bidders were after that lot.

June 15, 2003 01.09 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 15, 2003 anne

Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of trial machine cancels on Japanese postcards, women addicted to philately, and a few more of our favorite things.

June 15, 2003 David Benson

This Japanese postacrd was discussed tye other day on Richard's site whilst it was about 2/3rds. of the end price. It appears to have a rare trial machine cancel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2933580148&category=3514

David Benson

June 15, 2003 anne

Anne

June 15, 2003 0031 hobbes9324 <hobbes9324@aol.com>

Germany AMG issue postal rates
Could someone point me to a source (Ideally in English) that would have the rates used in Germany during the time of the AMG issues?

Thanks!

June 15, 2003 anne

For whatever it's worth, there are some varieties in 50 m since it was inserted individually in the setting of 50 stereos.
'1951' appearing instead of 1931 is the best known, but there are others as well. I can email a scan of the appropriate info if necessary. Hope this helps. Anne

June 15, 2003 anne <abt1950@aol.com>

So much for now. Back in a little while. Anne

June 14, 2003 20:48 Dana Krueger <dkrueger@kfl.com> http://www.kfl.com/images/index.html
 

Regards, Dana age=46

June 14, 2003 Laurel (laura598)

Bill Weiss good luck with your auction.

June 14, 2003 09:39 COVERWIZ

EGYPT GRAF ZEPPELIN Flight
Chris et. al. I closed the auction and canceled bids. Thanks

June 14, 2003 9:27 pm Dan

Ebay Swindle
June 14, 2003 12:04 JOHN CHUNKA
E BAY SWINDLE
http://www.wnbc.com/technology/ CHECK THIS FOR BAY SWINDLE

My #2 son was one of the victims of this character. He needed a laptop for a senior internship. Guess what... no laptop and he's out about $800 hard earned bucks. And Square Trade is coveniently not part of Ebay. Of course. Argh!!!!

Dan
 

June 14, 2003 8:40PM Bill Weiss

Laura
Just a quick hello, as we had an auction today, but I did want to drop in and check the day's postings. I can only comment on your two US covers. Yes, the "Gen." means he was a General, although back in those days he could have been a Major General or even a General in a State Militia and they would use the title on mail. The cover with the two-cent Black Jack is a New York City drop rate use and the postmark simply reads "NYORK", with a small flueron at the bottom. Hope this helps a little. Got to run.

June 14, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

John Chunka, Thanks so much for that link. The interesting part in that scam was the use of Squaretrade logo. The seller had a $1000 protetion square trade logo, so people who bought laptops at $1000 or less thought they were protected. Big was their surprise when they found out that the $1000 limit was per seller. So the buyers were entitled to $1 each when the UPS truck never arrived.

Recently we just discussed the seller sirod42, who brazenly tried to sell off a a crudely made inverted Jenny stamp, and his sole claim to respectability was his membership in Squaretrade. I quote:
"also there is the Square Trade logo which states that I am a Square Trade Verified Seller Honest & committed to buyer satisfaction."

So it seems Squaretrade is good for nothing except as a handy cover for crooks. If they could not prevent "a member in good standing" someone from defrauding 1000 customers for 1 million $, what good are they?

For example, squaretrade has a mediation function that can be used to remove bad feedback. If the seller pays money to squaretrade, and agrees repair with the customer, eBay can remove the bad feedback.

In the case that the buyer does not want to parttake in mediation, or won't reply to squaretrade, the seller can get the feedback removed by default. So next time you see 100% feedback, check if the crook is a squaretrade member. With a few more of these scandals, squaretrade will count as much as the powerseller logo when it comes to trust.

squaretrade seller = small bandit (or gullible) seller
squaretrade And powerseller = big bandit.

An interesting part is to see how much jailtime they measure out for a one million dollar scam. Fro example L.A. Man Gets 3-Year Sentence in eBay Fraud Case was for about $300,000 worth of damage.

A case we all know about, Greg Stolow's pcheltenham/schuylerac/chickfrdstk swindle is estimated to be for more than $500,000. Will he get 5 years? Will they ever prosecute?



 

June 14, 2003 Allan

Dave thanks for the fantastic presentation for "My Favorite Stamp, Cover, or Philatelic Item"

June 14, 2003 19:08:46 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Bulgaria question
Laurel, the Bulgaria looks normal to me. It's the 1926 issue, described in Scott as Deep Blue and Pale Lemon in color.

June 14, 2003 19:05:16 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Thomas H. Willams
Laurel, I don't know if this is the guy, but it looks like about the right era and close to the right location...

June 14, 2003 19:00:25 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Were stamps with the overprint of Occupation Azirbayedjan issued under British occupation or were they a "private issue" as listed in my catalog? If they were the latter, what is a "private issue" and who issued it? Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated.

June 14, 2003 Laurel (laura598)

Click on them to enlarge

June 14, 2003 Laurel (laura598) <painterly@attbi.com>

It has taken me a week off to make this little link. I wrote the questions right on the scan. If anyone has the patience could you look at these and tell me what you think of these covers? Thanks in advance. Laura here

June 14, 2003 David Benson

where's the REPORT button,

David Benson

June 14, 2003 stamp killer

WE want a free world without amrican arrogance

June 14, 2003 17:00 Jim Watson

Oops!!
I just found that the carefully prepared overall index page which has been around since I started the indes for Today in Postal History has never been made into a link. I"ve corrected it on today's cover. Now all I have to do is to get it added to all the rest of the covers. at least I only have to fix 8 months worth. One of these days. . . .

June 14, 2003 Chris Ceremuga

Zeppelin cover
coverwiz: Yes, your cover is merely from the Egypt-Germany return Flight as the covers from the Palestine round flight always have the "pyramid" zappelin cachet in red. The Michel spec Zeppelin catalog is very specific with this, as is the Sieger Zeppelin catalog

June 14, 2003 Bill Burch <jackstay@ecsis.net>

I saw Michelle's pic of the two chainsmokers surrounding Maarten; as it downloaded, I recognized Jim's eyebrows first off. Excellent picture, Michelle. Paolo, did you get the package yet?

June 14, 2003 16:42 Jim Watson

Thank you, Steve
Steve,
Thanks for the kind words. If you check the index page on the daily page, you'll find months of daily dated covers.

June 14, 2003 Magnolia Stamps

coverwiz,or any one else whom may be interested in Graf Zeppelin related material.I have come upon about 16 unused postkarte's from what appears to be the the late 30s a few of them have the swastika on the tail fins,if anyone needs them let me know as I don't collect this type of material.....john

June 14, 2003 2:17 pm Bob in WA

board format
chronological

June 14, 2003 14:05PT Jim Gaul (hungaryjim) <terrynjim@enter.net>

Chronological or Threaded
Dave: I also would like the board to stay chronological. Jimbo2

June 14, 2003 12:55 COVERWIZ

Egypt - Palestine flight
Mr. Weiss & A & S I have an eBayer questioning this Egypt Graf Zeppelin cover as to whether or not it was carried over Palestine. Frost shows the four Egyptian cancels with this date ( April 10)over the section for Egypt mail carried on the flight. Ebayer, who claims to be an expert on the flight, says all mail carried over Palestine on April 11 must have the German red Pyramid flight cachet. Given the large difference in catalog value between Egypt mail carried over Palestine, and that just carried back to Germany - and a desire to be correct and above board - any direction and/or comments would be welcomed....

June 14, 2003 12:04 JOHN CHUNKA

E BAY SWINDLE
http://www.wnbc.com/technology/ CHECK THIS FOR BAY SWINDLE

June 14, 2003 nomad55

Dave ("philatarium") - - since I have not voted yet, I strongly favor the chronological format.

June 14, 2003 8:24 AM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

Jim Watson's "Today in Postal History"
Jim: It is a real pleasure to see the return of your daily 'column'. Thanks!

June 14, 2003 08.22 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 14, 2003 Chuck Harm

Misrepresented HK stamps
Saw twp more HK QVs with Ovpts with Chinese characters represented as witout (~$100 vs $2). Sent sellers notice. One small seller ablemarv replied nicely and ended auction. No response yet from Anthony's Stamps and Coins, one of ebays biggest sellers. I have seen him with mis-id'd stamps several times before but this is the first time I have sent an email. It will be interesting to see if I get a reply. His auction # is 2934734953.

June 14, 2003 04:24 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a registered postal stationery envelope from Gibralter to Uruguay in 1921. It made full use of the registration system!

Here is an appropriate Flag Day site for today, June 14. In keeping with philately, it is where you can research flags used on patriotic envelopes.
 

June 14, 2003 Vinod ("vinobub")

Threaded or Chronological
I vote for Chronological

June 14, 2003 1:59 Bob in WA

Well, Friday the 13th is over, and so is the 1/2 price listing...

June 14, 2003 Maarten Willems

Update on various subjects
* First of all I'd like to thank philatarium Dave for his terrific job accumulating all the favourite items shown in the context of the monthly eUSC topic. A fascinating and valuable webpage. We owe you!

* I also owe you an answer in the chronological vs threaded survey. The answer is: chronological.

* Had a memorable dinner with miekiemuis, io Jim and Paolo yesterday evening. You can see me here nervously sandwiched between two chain smoking philatelists.

 

June 14, 2003 00:33 Dave ("philatarium")

EUSC topic
Well, it's (way past my) bedtime here on the West Coast, but I did manage to update the EUSC "transcript" page up through Bob's post. (I just noticed that someone recently posted on eBay. I'll include that one in tomorrow's update.)

Here is that link to that page:

transcript (with images) of the EUSC meeting topic: favorites

but I've also now put links up at the top of this page to a home page of sorts, which has links to all the pages that are up now.

Age: I think I'm smack in the middle, at 45 (although some years ago I used to be younger than that!). I am very encouraged by some of the more "experienced" members on here!

June 14, 2003 11:29 pm Bob Lodge (Bob in WA)

EUSC topic
If you are interested in proofs and essays, I made that my subject in the current EUSC topic on the old board. Have a look at 23:24. Got out some of my better items to share.

June 14, 2003 11.27 pm Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_Japan_stamps
 

Colin

June 14, 2003 23:25:47 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com/
 

Dodo...
Brian, I don't know them personally... Only what I read in their Me page and the equivalent page on Philatino. I'm guessing they're a bit like Estudio 20, with less than perfect ethics and a yearning for the bucks flowing through eBay. They think of the internet as a good venue for relieving them of their bad material. It's too bad more of the sellers from Argentina aren't more like Victor Gugliano (SAA Philatelic Net on Philatino, victorgg on eBay).

June 13, 2003 Brian R

If you know him/her personally, feel free to pass my sentiments on.

June 13, 2003 Marius

I vote for Chronos

June 13, 2003 21:47:10 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Dodo...
Brian, I've looked at Dodo's Corner offerings on Philatino in the past, and always chosen to pass... From what I saw while scrolling a few of his eBay offerings, I'm going to continue to pass. When he (or she if it's really Nora doing the listings) has something of value to sell, it's priced appropriately, or maybe a bit high.

June 13, 2003 David Benson

Dave, thanks,

David Benson

June 13, 2003 9:00PM Bill Weiss

Various
Just before bedtime and our auction tommorrow, I read through today's postings and wanted just to give GEORGE K. an answer about that Newspaper stamp. Indeed, it is a crude fake, and really shouldn't fool too many folks. Actually, these Newspaper fakes are highly collectible by specialists, and often when sold for what they are, will sell in the $10-15. range, so the current high bidder may even know that he's bidding on a fake and won't get hurt at less than $10. Many of these fakes/counterfeits/facimiles were printed in Germany in the late 1800s and sold to collectors to fill their album spaces as many US Newspaper stamps had a high face value and were unaffordable even back then. We sold a great collection of these Newspaper counterfeits/facimiles in our last auction and it brought nearly $5,000. so you see the stuff isn't total crap. Of course, the guy offering it here obviously knows it's fake or he wouldn't be selling AS IS, so anyone who goes after him would be justified. It's one thing to offer a fake/counterfiet for what it is and another to call it a normal stamp.....I believe we had this debate last week, didn't we? OK Laura, we won't bring up your age again, but we are proud of you for sharing...I can't remember how it feels to be only 54! Done for night, off to auction bright and early.

June 13, 2003 20:57 Dave ("philatarium") <dfrick@pacificanalytics.com>

David B: Here's the link to your pic:

http://www.pacificanalytics.com/eusc/tongainvert.JPG

Feel free to repost on eBay if you'd like.

June 13, 2003 Alan Payne (Jherek99) <Jherek@bigpond.com>

Stunned ;)
I received an email this morning from a seller that I had bought a 1933 Austrian Katholikentag set from kzw55, that he'd noticed a fault on one of the six stamps,that was not visible from the scan, and may have occured after the scan had been taken, so he's refunded me 1/3 of the purchase price plus the shipping.

To say i'm impressed is perhaps an understatement.

Alan

June 13, 2003 Later rather than earlier Chris <nar> jump-the-shark.com
 

I vote for the chronological arrangement.

Chris - still sorting Colombia

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Brian - The reason I ask is because I find quite a few crude forgeries of Spanish stamps that also exhibit outer framelines such as those, and which are not on the genuine stamps. I can conclude from your post that these lines on the forgeries might be there for much the same reason.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

BTW-I have enough #11's to wallpaper a small room. Each with it's own different, and interesting cancel :o)

June 13, 2003 Brian R

Richard B Lots of different stories out there. The lines were drawn in order to give the printers helpers (most likely illiterate) an idea of where to space the images on the pane. I don't think that the intent was ever to print the lines, it just happened. The CSA # 9, and #10 were among the first attempts, by the south, at engraved printing. Both were really beautiful stamps, that got torpedoed by the fact, that the first printing plates were made of a soft copper alloy and deteriorated quickly. Hence, both the #9 and #10 had a short life, small printings, and bring good $$ today. The stamps you linked to, CSA #11's were produced using the same master image as the #10's, except that time they used hardened steel for the plates, and left off the lines.

June 13, 2003 Vinod ("vinobub")

Serious Collector
I feel obliged to add my 2 cents, since I believe that I was the first to use the phrase in the context of the current discussion. All I intended to convey was a sense of commitment to the hobby on terms of time and money. Nothing to do with level of knowledge - not surprising because on that count I rank pretty low!

June 13, 2003 David Benson

Dave, thanks,

Thumbs up for the chronological, thumbs down to the threaded,

David Benson

June 13, 2003 20:12 Dave ("philatarium")

Laura: Thanks for the positive feedback! I really appreciate it. Please keep posting, and please feel free to post your favorites over on the eBay board.

Brian: You diagnosed it correctly. It was a "b" instead of a "br" that did it. No problem fixing it, though.

Mauro: I will soon be replying back to both of your emails. Thanks very much.

David B:Got the pic. Will post and update in a little while.

all: I still have a little quick-and-dirty work to put more navigation links in. Then I'll work on coming up with a slicker version in a few days.

all: I'm still interested in hearing from anyone else who hasn't yet weighed in on the threaded vs. chronological board. I know the overwhelming favorite is chronological (and it's mine, too), but wanted to get as much input as possible. I will use that input to prepare a response to some of the queries I've gotten.

Back later.

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

What were the lines used for? Was it simply an aid to help people who couldn't cut straight? Or were they just a product of the way the cliches made up the sheet?

June 13, 2003 Brian R

Arghhhh! Looks as if one of my breaks was a single "b" I promise Dave, I won't even attempt HTML on your board again :o(

June 13, 2003 Brian R

Brian

June 13, 2003 Laurel A (laura598)

Dave the link is beautiful!
This board just gets better all the time thanks to you, Dave, and all of you who help! You are all so good spirited, heck I will tell my age. 54 ... now, please forget that immediately! Laura

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Nomad - I'll bet if I looked hard enough I could even come up with the fabled inverted outer frameline error, or the much talked about frameline error of color, in red, both of which are not listed....anywhere.

June 13, 2003 nomad55

Richard B....AHA! You have the discovery copy of the bogus double frame line variety.

The previous fake had its lines added by a blue pencil.

Now if Siegel or Bill Weiss or 1covers offered a CSA 10, I'd have no qualms.

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Couldn't resist Brian. HERE is my version of that fake. If it looks like the lines were added digitally, you'd be right. I'll make sure I delete it quickly so no one get's any funny ideas. Actually, I haven't the faintest clue what the lines are suppose to look like.

June 13, 2003 George K

Fake Newspaper stamp
Can one of you experts (at least, more expert than ME) out there please confirm (or deny) my opinion on this stamp (2933862185)? I just sent the seller, who mainly deals in beanie-babies, a note telling him it is one of the worst fakes I ever saw and that selling it "as-is" does NOT absolve him of responsibility. Thanks.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

framelines
Noip CSA has been a hot ticket in philatelic circles for more than 100 years. It's highly unlikely you'll ever encounter a traditional stamp seller who doesn't know the meaning of the magical framelines. Those lines can turn a $10 stamp, into a several thousand dollar classic. A perfect item to mess with for those tempted by the dark side. So far EVERY single one of the supposed CSA #10's I've seen start on ebay for under $200 has been a fake( + quite a few over that amount). They are the rebel worlds version of the US #315. Only they represent a bigger payday if you can lure that sucker. Unless you know what to look for, deal only with someone you implicitly trust, and be prepared to open that wallet real wide.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

I assume the fake part about it is the rather obvious attempt at an outer frameline? What is it, ballpoint?

June 13, 2003 17:35 Dave ("philatarium")

Transcript of current EUSC meeting
Nomad: I had anticipated the issue you raised about whether or not people keep images around. So I do have a backup copy of each full-size image on my website just in case the original gets removed, and can switch the link from the thumbnail at that time. I didn't automatically link to the larger image on my site because I'm still getting a feeling for how much of my monthly bandwith I'm using. (I've finally figured out which reports I need to look at daily, to begin to understand my "consumption" of my bandwidth.)

So that does mean that we can keep the images up indefinitely, one way or another.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

Has anyone here ever has dealings with this clown before?

June 13, 2003 Roger Heath

Roger

June 13, 2003 nomad55

Dave....a very nice concept, but please understand that the images will be transient in nature, at least for me. I delete pics off the server when the board scrolls off to free up space for different images. I guess if someone wants a permanent reference, they best capture the pic to their hard drive.

June 13, 2003 16:33 Dave ("philatarium")

Transcript of current EUSC meeting
I suppose it would be helpful if I'd included a link to it:

http://www.pacificanalytics.com/stampchat/topic_favorite_EUSC.htm

June 13, 2003 16:31 Dave ("philatarium") <dfrick@pacificanalytics.com>

Transcript of current EUSC meeting
Just to practice my html skills and see if I could do it, I've prepared a transcript of the EUSC posts pertaining to favorite stamps, etc.

The thing I like about it is that I've included thumbnail images of the items being discussed right in the post. You can click on the thumbnails to see the original versions.

This may be an example of what we could do in the future for important, "reference-worthy" discussions.

By the way, David Benson, I could not get your link to open. If you'd like, send me the image by email and I'll host it here.
 

June 13, 2003 03.38 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 13, 2003 Jim Lawler

Jim L.

June 13, 2003 Now Chris Jorgen_Ingman_rules.com
 

I think I should make one minor clarification. By "constant dollars"
what I mean is what happens when you back inflation out by selecting
a discount rate and moving the price to a specific reference year.
I did a rough and ready version of this for selected stamps from
a 1941 scott catalog. What I found was that prices really hadn't
changed that much with a few wild exceptions. Expensive stamps were
always expensive.

Chris - pity I can't go back to midaeval europe with a few pounds of cloves
 

June 13, 2003 Now Chris Godzilla_rules-mothra_drools.com
 

Age, stamp prices
I, am 47 am the second youngest member of the local club.
(The youngest is 46.) I think if you plot the price of stamps
in constant dollars, the trend for everything but super-premium
items is slowly down.

Getting out my crystal ball for a minute, (pfui, it still says
to buy DotCom stocks!) I look for one more big boom in the stamp
market and then a price crash after. (Remember the investors dictum
and sell in a rising market and buy in a falling one.)

Chris - currently sorting Colombia

June 13, 2003 2:51 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

64/64a/64b
ps: Before anyone accuses Bill of pilfering my images, he had my permission to copy them and refer others to his copies.

June 13, 2003 Richard Warren

Dave - a postscript on the scanning: having used this technique on all three stamps that I bought together - all same value of same overprint - I find that they're all the same sub-type. Hmm. So either I happen to have three stamps separated from an original vertical strip of three and they're OK, or else I have three copies of an extremely good forgery based on one sub-type. (Let's be honest, the chances are the latter!) But you're right, these Occupation things are very tricky ...

June 13, 2003 2:49 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

64/64a/64b
Ken C: There are two scans of the same stamps refered to by Bill Claghorn are on my eBay Me page. Your stamps are all 65's. Scott 65 comes in a myriad of shades: roses, reds, brownish roses, brownish reds. Some appear almost brown (pale brown) with only a hint of red or rose.

June 13, 2003 2:18 P.M. Joynest <joylark1@earthlink.net>

Two questions today.In my 1800's album under 1856-57 I have a 3c GW perf., ornaments complete, with outer lines, uncanceled full "gum/glue" hinged in box marked "red" (I know color is a mute question with such an old stamp - do I trust that it is red? (It actually looks the color of the Sept. 1891 [dfferent design]issue of 3c GW canceled in "dark lake" box, and there is one in the buff box that looks like a washed out dark lake.

Playing Card Stampsin Lake box, 2c, inscribed On Hand Aug. 1894 (Different than the "Lake" GW. They are a horizontal pair, rouletted with channel between showing roulette marks but not cut through. Does the "between" count as perf or imperf - they are definitely wide rouletted around the two stamp rectangle and the left edge (facing me) is sort of "fancy scalloped", full glue, hinged 1x between and a bright claret red to my eye. Any idea if this is rare...or worthless? Thanks for your opinions. Joy
 

June 13, 2003 George K

What is a serious collector or a philatelist?
Although I throw in my 7 cents whenever I can, it is never about philately, just about fraud a word that should NEVER have to appear together in a sentence about stamp collecting. I fill the holes in my album, and I want to know that I can trust the seller to identify it correctly, so I don't have to learn every nuance about every stamp. I guess that makes me a novice still, after all these years. But I do consider myself a serious philatelic fraud investigator, but not a serious collector.

June 13, 2003 John Cunningham

Serious Collector
Rufus No problem, though I am not sure why the use of the word 'serious' would be an issue. In the context of the post, I intended 'serious' to imply 'something undertaken in earnest'. Perhaps 'active/interested' would have been a better choice on my part, as its use later in the post seemed not to ruffle any feathers. Thanks.

June 13, 2003 13:19 Dave ('philatarium')

Overprints
Richard: I'll fix your link in the post below.

Also, once I pull my material together, I should use that scanning technique and seek your advice on this topic and related ones. My primary collecting interest is Japan, and I've dabbled in some of the Japanese Occupation material, but have been tentative because I know what treacherous territory it is, philatelically speaking.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

June 13, 2003 13:15 Rosemary <tulrose@aol.com>

Rosemary

June 13, 2003 Richard W

Umm, sorry, doesn't link - forgot. But if anyone wants to copy it into the Address panel, you'll see what I mean. A very handy tool - thanks!

June 13, 2003 Richard Warren (sayasan)

I now not only know that the peacock overprints I bought on Ebay for £1 each are genuine, but I can even tell what sub-type they are. Where would we be without the miracle of computerisation? Recommended! MANY thanks for the tip.

June 13, 2003 Rufus (rufwil)

serious collector
john
thanks for clearing that up, I did not mean to get on a soap box.. I guess I was a little offended. sorry.

June 13, 2003 12:39 Bob in WA

age
Terry -- Basically correct. I haven't had my birthday yet this year.

June 13, 2003 12:37 Bob in WA

age puzzle
Brian -- No, I'm not 107 yet, thankfully. Pretty straightforward if you just work your way backwards through it, providing you recognize the correct years for the six stamps mentioned. HERE is a little hint to get you started.

June 13, 2003 John Cunningham

Serious Collectors..
Chuck I would say that the people who chat on this board, and others like it, are serious collectors. I do not think that it has to do with what you have, or what you know, as much as it has to do with enjoying what you have, and actively trying to increase what you know.

June 13, 2003 1230 Terry P

Age Survey
Bob Lodge (Bob in WA) ,
I find it difficult to leave a puzzle not worked on. I tried yours and if I'm not mistaken you are a year younger than I am and I was born 100 years after the Penny Black.

June 13, 2003 Rufus (rufwil)

sorry about all the typo's and grammer problems..

June 13, 2003 Rufus (rufwil)

Chuck, you are not the only one who is wondering when you cross the line to becoming a "serious" collector. I know the difference of accumulating stamps, collecting stamps, and acually being able to call yourself a philatelist. When would one consider themselves a serious collector? If this is a knowledge category, who is to say "who is and isn't a serious collector"? There are so many things to specailize in, and so much for all of us to learn. My opinion, is a serious collector is someone always trying to find the history and answer to each question they may have about a cover, stamp, etc. Not what they may know, am I wrong?

June 13, 2003 Chuck Harm

Age
I'll add to the age data and admit to being 46. I guess i am nearly average. I will probably raise a new discussion when I ask what is a "serious" collector? Does this imply a certain commitment of time or money, a certain level of knowledge or sophistication, or what? I have mixed feelings about whether I consider myself serious. I spend way too much time and money relative to what I have avaialable but this chat is demonstrating how much I have to learn. maybe I'm serious about becoming a serious collector;-)

June 13, 2003 John Cunningham

Age
At 38 I am nearer the bottom of the age bracket. Matt L is the only serious collector that I have met who is younger than I am, though I think there were a few youngsters at this year's Garfield Perry show. I believe that I am the youngest in the Worthington Club. I agree with Richard that there are many younger active collectors who do not come to the shows, or join the clubs. The problem is that it is harder to get to know someone over a few beers when you are both staring at computer monitors a thousand miles apart. The social aspect is a big part of the fun. Perhaps there will be a 'backlash' against the anonymity of modern life and clubs/shows will enjoy increased interest in the future.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

I dunno...could be the healthy pacific coast air.....:o)

June 13, 2003 09:27 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 13, 2003 Ken C

Thanks! I was pretty sure that was the answer.

June 13, 2003 09:15 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 13, 2003 Ken C.

Sorry about that!
Sorry for not using the link.

June 13, 2003 ken C

Trying again!

June 13, 2003 9:05AM Ken C

Identifying Colors
I'm going bonkers trying to determine if any of < href="http://www.members.aol.com/kchrist499/6465.jpeg"> these 1861 US Washingtons are something other than minor variations of the rose color. If so, there is a considerable price difference between the rose ($2.50), the rose pink ($150.00), the pink ($800) and the pigeon blood pink ($3500). I've never drunk pigeon blood, so I don't have a point of reference. Is there a site that deals specifically with these stamps (A25 in the Scott catalog).

June 13, 2003 0805 Bill Burch (jakstay) <jackstay@ecsis.net>

I've been reading and lurking this board for a few weeks now, and just now posting. Maybe other comments later

June 13, 2003 09:29AM ken c

Re: Old as dirt
Sorry Bill, I meant Jim Watson.

June 13, 2003 Ken C <kchrist499@aol.com>

Old as dirt.
I guess I'm tied with Bill Weiss at 73. That's probably why I am now selling my collection rather than adding to it!

June 13, 2003 06:53 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

IOmoon How about the Queen's image on This Ceylon?

June 13, 2003 Maarten Willems

age
Mine is palindromic: 44

June 13, 2003 Richard Frajola

Too early in the morning I guess (and I can't correct my typos on this board). Anyhow, I hope you can at least understand my general drift in last.

June 13, 2003 Richard Frajola

Gray Old Farts Club There are plenty of young collectors around. The fact that very few attend stamp clubs, meetings and shows is not a concern to me really. The social aspects of collecting have changed and will continue to change. The local stamp dealer may well be history. New methods of interaction and dispersal of information will rule and those.

I am much more concerned with the dearth of young, honest dealers. There were, and are still, many very intelligent dealers who could have made a living in any field they chose and chose stamp dealing because it was both rewarding financially and intellectually. The few younger full time dealers I have seen and in because the think they can make a fast buck and I have been underwhelmed by their ethics in dealing.

June 13, 2003 5:37 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 13, 2003 05:35 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 13, 2003 Rufus (rufwil)

Good point - passing it along to the kids/grandkids. I have a 7 month old girl, I had subscribed to the US Mint for Silver proof year sets in her name, meaning she will get a set sent to her automatically every year (as long a I pay for it). Now do not shun me just yet (just hoping she will grasp some kind of collecting) - I also have a goal that as we go on vacations, we are going to purchase a post card of a place she visited during that vacatin and write something about the vacation, and mail it to her home, making a nice album for her to remember vacations and hopefully some philatelic interest. Also, if she seems to enjoy history, once a week, I plan on researching a stamp with her (that will go along with what she is studying in school). I have a lot of ideals for this young girl & hope she has as much fun with them as i did. If anyone else has any more ideas, send them my way. I have a few years to go before she may do any of these activities, but for others with kids - these may be fun. Thanks.

June 13, 2003 Mary Kate <PennyPumpkin@aol.com>

old farts
Hey Roger H, when you were in HS I wasn't even born! (evil giggle). But I guess on this board I am still older than some, and working on the next generation of stamp collectors. That's an idea for some of you guys. Get the grandkids involved, and especially, pass along your high standards to them.

Forget about age, how many women collect stamps? Why is that? I'm usually the only female I ever see at stamp shows. I don't think it gets me any good deals though. Maybe I dress too frumpily.

Just in a silly mood this morning I guess!

June 13, 2003 Richard Warren (sayasan) <rwarren99@yahoo.com>

Regarding ageing - before moving house recently I used to belong to a local phil. soc., which met in a dimly lit room (awful for displays) over a pub in the heart of the Black Country (midlands industrial area). At 50+, I was one of the youngest, and many a meeting was delayed while we all stood for a minute's silence in memory of another elderly member who had just passed on to that great stamp fair in the sky ... Soon there will be no such local clubs left in the UK - no longer viable. But that's the case here with social organisations of all sorts - also churches, voluntary organisations etc. Society here is getting well and truly "atomised".

June 13, 2003 Vinod ("vinobub")

To join the age discussion, I am 36, and younger than any serious collector I have met in person. Some of the board participants are the first people I have come across who are younger than me - it's a pleasure!

June 13, 2003 Jim Lawler

Jim L.

June 13, 2003 Rufus (rufwil)

Ages
just thought I would join the discussion - also curious about the outcome. I am 31, the baby of my local stamp club as well.

June 13, 2003 sveiki!

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening! {:o)

I have this feeling that something very nice is going to be offered me at work within the next couple of weeks. There has been a lot of unusual activity lately - in a positive way that is. {:o)

June 13, 2003 03:38 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a UPU postal card from the Cape Verde Islands to Argentina in 1888. I chose it from 3 interesting possibilities for this Friday the 13th! One was a stampless Pacquebot from a Japanese steamer entering the mail in San Francisco in
1901. The third was a beautiful registered cover from Chile to Germany in 1894.

Bill W.,
Some of the youthful members of this board should remember that, when age has been reviewed in the past on the eBay chat board, there have been several of us who are in our 70s. At 73 I don't think I was the oldest.

June 13, 2003 Ralf (buzones) http://postalhistory.int.tf
 

Spanish CDS on US stamp 1862
Richard Irun was the exchange office for mail from/to western France. Mail from US to Spain, mostly directed via GB and from there over to the continent, was lead over Irun. So it's quite possible that a non-cancelled US stamp wad been obliterated with a spanish CDS when passing the frontier. It's quite scarce, but such a clear strike is at least a showpiece. Haven't seen this before, too! :-)

June 13, 2003 Maarten Willems

age survey
io Jim - I'll be there.



Yes, I did an age survey one and a half year ago on 'the other board'. By November 24, 2001 exactly 71 eBay chat board visitors revealed their age. The average was 47.3. If I remember well (one of) the oldest was jakstay Bill, (one of) the youngest paperhistory Matt and Greg 1 was Mr.Average.

June 13, 2003 2 am Bob Lodge (Bob in WA)

Age survey
I wanted to add my statistic. Thinking in simple whole years and ignoring any fractions, I am half the age the Penny Black was the year the Bluenose was half as old as the error stamps on Lady Gomm’s governor’s ball invitations were the year the “Cattle in the Storm” was one-third as old as the Basel Dove was the year the first 13¢ U.S. stamp was issued. I like puzzles.

June 13, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Paolo & Maarten
I'll be arriving on Ryanair flight FR9273, TD at 18.10.

BTW riny218 is a husband/wife team.

June 13, 2003 00.30 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 13, 2003 23:41:09 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Riny218
Bill W., we've tried with this guy for at least three or four years with no luck.

June 13, 2003 Brian R

Good night all

June 13, 2003 Richard Ballhagen

Brian - Sounds about as good as anything. I see, quite frequently, early French stamps with Spanish cancels, but never seen a U.S. stamp with one. I thought it might be neat for my Spanish collection, but it's already gone past what I'd be willing to pay for it, and I'd probably be competing with to many U.S. collectors.

June 12, 2003 Brian R

US/Spain cancel
Spain Not a clue, but I'll guess. Maybe the letter was forwarded when it arrived in spain. Extra Spanish stamps for forwarding, and the Spanish P.O. struck the US issue(s) for good measure?

June 12, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Does anyone know why a Spanish CDS would be on this U.S. Scott #65, when it looks like it has been pen cancelled already?

June 12, 2003 Brian R

Yes, the item arrived, sans bubble wrap, in perfect condition. :o)

June 12, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Well let's see, I'll be the BIG 4-0 this year, and despite that, I still get people telling me to "grow up"!

June 12, 2003 later than you think Roger H

Sixty and loving it
Never really thought I'd get to this age. Writing 2003 on a check seems to be a minor miracle, having considered the year 2000 so far away when I graduated from High School in 1960. I'm visiting my Aunt in England next week. Purpose: to celebrate her 90th Birthday. Looks like I may be around for a few more years, might even out live Ebay.

Roger

June 12, 2003 9:39 Michael Resnik <micres@starband.net>

...and did you catch the shipping charges on the 223 BOB stamps (on 2 pages and 2 cards) which Bill Weiss commented opon in detail 4 or 5 posts back?!..."Buyer pays 20.00(in US & Canada),35.00(internationally) for shipping."

....Where's Sarge??

--Michael
.

June 12, 2003 David Benson

talking about ages at clubs, I joined the Royal of Sydney when I was 15, the next youngest was in his 50's and most of the members were wearing the round AIF returned service medal of WWI. WWII vets were considered young and sissy. The average age must have been about 85.


David Benson

June 12, 2003 David Benson

Bill, only by a month or less, let's call it a tie,

David Benson

June 12, 2003 Laurel A (laura598)

I am pro-non-threaded board and anti-age disclosure. I like what Oscar Wilde said "One should never trust a woman who tells one her real age. A woman who would tell one that would tell one anything."
That being said I am younger than the oldest and older than the youngest.

June 12, 2003 8:30PM Bill Weiss

Riny218 ebay lot #2934492980
This may be my last post till next week as we have an auction on Saturday and I may be too busy tommorrow to check here, but I just looked at this lot and I am simply amazed at this guy's audacity! I received an email from him last week the content of which was basically that he considers himself just an honest guy who is glad when folks take the time to point out errors to him, because he's "really trying".
The lot in question might be worth $100. The 10X1 block is a counterfeit, the Hawaii #20 ditto, all the coils are fakes and I seriously doubt if any of the blue papers are really so (can't tell from scans but all look whitish to me). On the top cards where the bulk of the value is, the only stamp which appears to be as described is the R159 at $160., but other than that it's all crap! I feel so bad for anyone who would buy such a lot, but I don't have time to fight with this guy now. Anyone else want to take a shot at him? Feel free to quote my name and credentials to him if you like. Tell him I'm a professional auction house, a certified expert who works for PSE, a 35-year APS member, etc. He has heard from me before about fake early US Newspaper stamp cancels so he might remember. Done for night and maybe till next week.

June 12, 2003 8:15PM Bill Weiss

Age
DAVID B>; sorry, you lose. I only said I was a lot closer to 60. In fact, I turn 60 in July! I'm going to check Riny218's lot and I'll be back.

June 12, 2003 COVERWIZ

Age
51 and near the youngest in both my local stamp clubs! Joined the APS at 23, so I used to bring averages down..... Might even get a 50 year certificate if I'm lucky in 2025

June 12, 2003 Vince Costello

Here is the address again.
http://www.pgacon.com/tips_on_scanning.htm

Vince

June 12, 2003 5.36 PM Vince Costello <vinman2119@aol.com>

Richard Warren (sayasan)
Here is a link to a site that shows hw to remove the stamp color and leave the cancel. I found it on the APS site.
Link
I have never tried this so I don't know how well it works.

Vince

June 12, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

"Tuttavia!"
Paolo B.: do not forget that italian is quite natural for me due my main language(s) and country (40% of my co-citizens are from direct italian descendency) background.
 

June 12, 2003 George K

Linn's did a poll of their readers last year. Average age 55; something like 95% male and 50% with a net worth in excess of a million bucks. Boy, it's a good thing I didn't take part in the poll - I would have brought down the net worth thing considerably.

June 12, 2003 George K

This seller has a group of his bulk lots up now. He sells (or tries to) these types of groupings a lot. There are always the usual suspect coils and imperfs and other rarities (all without certs)which can be easily manufactured from common varieties, a misidentified color variety or two, and then a stockpage or two of common BOB. Check out this one for example, 2934492980.

June 12, 2003 David Benson

Bill, slightly older, will be 60 in August.

David Benson

June 12, 2003 Victor Horadam <horadam1@airmail.net>

Thanks to all who participated in the discussion about the greying of the stamp collector. It was interesting and informative. (and answered my question.)

June 12, 2003 4:30PM Bill Weiss

RF Overprints
Scott does not recognize these when off cover, but only used from the proper origins with the proper Naval markings. Off cover RFs are just mostly considered cute collateral. I have a group in my auction on Satuday of large multiples totalling perhaps 100+ stamps and it will likely sell for between $50/100. for them all. No one pays serious money for them off cover. I once read where Stolow (the REAL Stolows not the modern bad boy) had these things printed up back in the late 40s/early 50s. As long as you don't pay serious money for off-cover varieties you can still have fun with them.
Regarding age, while I hate to admit it, it sounds like I'm one of the OLDER folks who post here, and I will tell you that I am WAY closer to 60 than to 50! I hope I'm not the OLDEST(?) who posts here - will anyone admit to being older than me? Age aside, I think and act younger than my years and can hit a golf ball as far as most pros and even once in a while relatively straight. How far....how about 150yards for a pitching wedge, and fairly accurately too!

June 12, 2003 David Benson

Chuck, thanks, fixed it, it was a typo error, anyone looking at the scan would have realised it was a 5c.

David Benson

June 12, 2003 Chuck Harm <macalusoharm@sprintmail.com>

D2 auction
Dave,

Your 1929 6c Sarawak auction is actually a 5c. It may be why you have no bids cause the 6c is really cheap.

June 12, 2003 David Benson

Jim, sorry, can't help. The only one that can is Francis Kiddle, he is in charge of the judging team and he should have been able to get the others to give their reports and if not then should have done them himself.

David Benson

June 12, 2003 3:52 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

RF Overprints
jaywild: I'm no expert on these but I do know that there are many dangerous fakes around. Real 'RF' overprints exist in extremely limited numbers. In my experience, the Scott valuations for these are very conservative (low) possibly because many sales of these items are, in fact, sales of fraudulent items.

June 12, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Mauro just "bambino'ing" myself, of course.
Well written in Italian. I seldomly use "tuttavia", though it is correct as you used it.
Paolo

June 12, 2003 3:28 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

So Much for eBay 'Trust & Safety'
See news article.

June 12, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Oops ... no more age questions then ....
and Paolo B.: sono tuttavia bambino

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Mauro average age was done by maarten, I think it was 52.
I'm a little over.
D2
I have a few notes, learnt some stuff.
Tnink I know a little more about UK-Italy than presenter.
But then again, presentation was all of Europe.
Vote of thanks was given by presumably incoming pres. of RPS.

Don't you have any pull with FIP to get these lax judges off their rear ends and actually produce something which may be useful to the stamp community?

I know most stamp collectors are over 50 and don't know where the "on button" on their computers are, but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 12, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Mauro -- I would have bet you were older than 27.
I am 37 years old and yet very nasty (I had to use a calculator for the age, I absolutely do not like it being reminded about it).
Paolo

June 12, 2003 15:04 Michael Resnik <micres@starband.net>

Mauro----

An age poll was done on the other board about 6-9(?) months ago, and I think the average came to about 46.5. Maybe someone else remembers exactly.

--Michael
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June 12, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Age ...
Guillaume T & others, regarding the aging of the average collector and other similar topics. Im also one of the babies, 27 yrs old .... and what about the rest of the board visitors? it would be interesting to calculate the average age of the board visitor, poster, lurker, etc. so if any one of you guys dare, just make your age public (ladies excluded)
Regards

Mauro
 

June 12, 2003 David Benson

Jim, how long did the displayee talk about the material (and did you learn anything) and who gave the vote of thanks.

David Benson

June 12, 2003 David Benson

David Benson

June 12, 2003 14:14 Dave ("philatarium")

Maarten: Yes, that's a different branch of the family, but related. They are part of the family that went north and got prosperous. I am part of the family that went south, got prosperous, but then ended up on the losing side of the Civil War. The southern branch never really recovered. : (

June 12, 2003 Alan Payne (Jherek99) <Jherek@bigpond.com>

Paolo

He (fairstamp) must be continuing to use the two id's (presuming of course that al-tona is Klaus)as new auctions have been listed under that id.

Alan

June 12, 2003 14:04 Dave ('philatarium')

Scanning & Overprints
Richard Warren: This site is generally thought to be the best site about scanning and philately. It's pretty detailed. The link I'm pasting below takes you directly to the section on postmarks and overprints, but it may refer to material further up in the article.

scanning tips

And when you've figured it out, come back and tell us how you did it! : )

June 12, 2003 23.00 Dutch local time Maarten Willems

related?
philaterium Dave - Is perhaps the addressee on this cover an ancestor of yours?

June 12, 2003 13:43 jJim Watson

I get worse all the time.
I don't think the tin seller in Kilchburg had much to do with the Esq. in Padua

June 12, 2003 13:40 Jim Watson

Prometheus,
Thanks for posting the Goldschmidt cover. I don't think the tin seller in Kilchburg had much to do with the Esq. in Padua.

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark

colin
ROTFLMAO.
I think that one was in the list you have.
David B
Thinking about this a bit more,
if entrants to FIP competition last year, got for their entrance fee, no more than a rating, it would seem to me, to behove FIP to relax fees for last years entrants or relinquish them entirely for this years competition.
However, the FIP is probably like the UN, you get promised the world and get what beurocrats decide to give you.
In addition it will probably take till december to come to a decision and the entrance date terminates in August.

June 12, 2003 Mark

NARU
The guy who was NARU and registered another Ebay name to sell on in the meantime was very lucky Ebay didn't find out. Had they of done he would have been banned for selling on here for good. ( Just a bit of advice for anyone who get's NARU'd in future )

Mark.

June 12, 2003 Charles L. Williams <cwilliam@joplin.com>

NARU
Paolo... Absolutely correct. Klaus was NARU'ed for violating eBay's ridiculous NAZI prohibition. The 3 items they indicated were in violation were in fact not even Hitler era. Glad he's back. A good seller.

June 12, 2003 01.01 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_Japan_stamps
 

Colin

June 12, 2003 21.00 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 12, 2003 2055 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 12, 2003 Richard Warren (sayasan)

Did someone post here a while back asking to be reminded how to process a scan so as to remove the colour of the stamp, leaving just an overprint visible? If so, did someone else reply? If so, can they repeat it? I ask because I'm messing about trying to do the same. No point in reinventing the wheel ... Thanks!

June 12, 2003 Prometheus

Dave = Archives
Are you going to put a link to those archives somewhere or is it I can't find it, was trying to find out who I owed that scan of Goldschimdt pc to.
Thanks again for your great site.

As Organic Chemistry Course is killing me no stamp stuff for a couple of days.
ARRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 12, 2003 Prometheus

Larry LaFoe = Indiana Stampless
Local antique shop has ten or 15 Stampless Most non Indianiapolis cities his price is $15.00 each is that too much I was thinking of buying them Just Because ....
Is this a Fair market value all seemed in decent shape and all had readable postal marks.
Advise me on price and I might buy them and send you some scans.
 

June 12, 2003 12:48 Michael Resnik (havetwoalready) <micres@starband.net>

Thanks Paolo and Jim/Io So I gather that the ownership of images remains entirely with the seller, not eBay-- works for me.
--Michael
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June 12, 2003 1244 Prometheus

REPLY to ? on Goldschmidt PC
Sorry my brain rememberd it wrong goldschmidt not as reciever but sender

Front PC1902
Back Back
Sorry i was wrong with 100,000 sometimes they run together
Maybe this would help Hope so

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Michael
If you wish to use images in a manner for which there is no monetary gain or in a situation where you are not claiming they are yours for something like a web site evaluation, I see no problem.
As long as you give credit where it is due and ask permission of original owner of images.

June 12, 2003 12.37 Jim (jaywild) <jfdire@earthlink.net>

Jim
 

June 12, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Michael As long as you strictly use it for private purposes I don't see where's the problem.
If one would use it to advertise a sale of any object or product on ebay or anywhere else, then there is a copyright.
Paolo
 

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Colin
Actually "tea" at the Royal was a choice of tea or coffee.
Got a very warm welcome.
I was possibly one of the youngest at the meeting.
Though met a younger dealer of Nordic material from Bruxelles who knew sveiki

The 2p machin was a tricky one I was trying to figure out.
I think I downloaded image to compare with one in my collection.

In London today most of the guys were carrying their suit coats over their arms.
I think they thought it was hot!!

June 12, 2003 Poalo Bagaglia

Not A Registered User
Oh, Acronyms.

A dealer I dealt with several times with satisfaction, Mr. Klaus Lechner from Hamburg Germany, was NARU. He picked another ID to keep on selling in the meanwhile (al_tona, or something) and now he is registered again.

Paolo

June 12, 2003 11:19 Michael Resnik (havetwoalready on eBay) <micres@starband.net>

Anyone-- What is the "copyright" status of eBay images? I'm curious because I copied all of the wonderful images from the recent eBay item of 1845-1879 Die Proofs (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2924414337)(still there)and it makes a great screen saver. What are the limitations as to what one can do with such downloaded images? Thanks.
--Michael

June 12, 2003 11:09 Mark Bardell http://www.philatelicnetwork.com
 

Threaded board discussion.
Afternoon from a hot and sultry Baltimore. Just a quick post to say that I prefer the board as it is at the moment. Much easer to navigate and also to read all the posts without fear of missing any.

Probably my last post until Wednesday as I'm off to Vegas in the morning. Have a great weekend all.

Mark.

June 12, 2003 11.05 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/GB_Special_Issues/
 

Colin

June 12, 2003 10:53 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

CAJ
Try http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/tuesday_thursday_stamps/ HERE

June 12, 2003 10:52 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Brian
Yes you can be un-Naru'd, depending on the severity of the "crime".
Usually for shilling you can be back in a week.
Not sure what the length of time is for non-payment of eBay fees.
David B
Back from Royal and short meeting with Francis Kiddle.
Seems last year FIP had 4 judges of internet "contest", one never showed up and the other three never submitted their critiques.
So nobody found out what they did right or wrong.
I am assured it will be different this year.
I also stayed for "tea".

June 12, 2003 Brian R

NARU
Simple ebay questions (I hope). Can an account that's been NARU'ed ever get un-NARU'ed, or is it a permanent thing? I know accounts get the status by being caught doing nefarious things, but is it also granted for stuff like the check for your ebay fees bounced?

June 12, 2003 10:10 Burton Smith (oggilby) <bridge2@erols.com>

I've noticed that stampnstuff (caj) has been narued! This is too bad. I have dealt with him before, had good stuff to offer and never had a problem with delivery. He also has a grest web site concerning US 11's. Sorry to see this!

June 12, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Received a reply:
"Hello,


Thanks for your email. How can you tell?


Regards,
......."


This is my reply:

"Hello,


Thanks for your reply.
You can tell it is a forgery by various details, cancel included.


All the values of Tuscany 1851-52 and 1857 Issues were printed in typography (letterpress) from a unique composition of 80 cliches (repeated three times down the sheet).
A different denomination slug was inserted at the bottom so to obtain the different values.
Therefore the bottom frame line is always open at two points, immediately beneath the beginning and the end of the denomination slug. In the case of your stamp what I called "denomination slug" is that rectangle at the bottom with the wording "2 SOLDI" and as you can see the frame line at bottom is not interrupted.
There are more details that do not correspond with the features of the genuine stamps, that one can look up in specialized literature for forgeries.
But I think the best thing is to compare with a real stamp in the flesh. At this purpose you can take a common 2 crazie blue of early printings (because the printing of the 2 soldi was discontinued early), lightly cancelled or unused, since the Lion of Tuscany and the remainder of the details are all very similar if not identical for all denominations.
Here is a genuine 2 SOLDI:
http://www.antichistati.com/800/to/to_3en.htm


The cancel on your stamp, double circle date stamp "ASCIANO" is a forgery as well.
You can see an example here (with different date) on a forgery of the 3 lire of the provisional Gov. of Tuscany:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/bagaglia/TUSCANY_GP_3_Lire_light_orange_ochre_forgery.jpg


Hope this can help.
Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia"
 

June 12, 2003 0817 Prometheus <prometheus@yada-yada.com>

june 12 postcard s
here is a little tourist type postal history mailed in Eisenbach Germany on the 31st of may it arrived in Indianapolis June 12 1906
12 days of travel
Today

but my Favorite of my 12 junes is this Boston CDS I like the fact that at 2 AM someone was processing mail JUNE121911

June 12, 2003 Guillaume van T.

That is all for now, back to work!
 

June 12, 2003 fred williams <caddis10@comcast.net>

re-perf test
Sometime ago Ken Srail posted his "cut & paste" reperf test. Must say I found it a simple to use test however, I'd like to contact this person, exchange an email or 2, and clear up a couple of questions.

caddis10@comcast.net

June 12, 2003 Mary Kate <PennyPumpkin@aol.com>

graying of philately
I'm not so old, I don't think! :-) My 5 year old daughter is showing an interest now, and before long we'll get her her own album and start her collecting. I'll also be homeschooling, and collecting foreign stamps is going to be a great way to learn about the world.

If it's not too late to weigh in with my opinion, I also prefer this chronological board. Threaded boards have their place, but you have to keep clicking back and forth, and read each message individually. That can be a time waster and a pain in the neck. In this board I can easily skim and read the ones that interest me most.

Mary Kate

 

June 12, 2003 04:24 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a registered cover from Bahamas to England in 1918. It's a nice WAR TAX usage.

June 12, 2003 Richard Warren (sayasan)

I doubt that Myanmar is the only such place in the world.

June 12, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

eBay Users' Stamp Club

Results of votation for changing name and logo here

I have some more proposed logo's stored in my documents.

Brian (thebriguy) -- Thank you for your reply.
I hadn't mentioned that, at first, but I honestly could not understand why the fancy cancel had to be completed by the pen cancel. You will concurr, though, that this thematic presumes knowledge of the possible procedures in cancelling of the US Post Office at that time, which I do not posses. My comments were obviously restricted to the following topic: did the adhesive stamp originate or not.
Gotta run.
All the best,

Paolo

June 12, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Ed
My fancy dress is "the robe", which I believe you have a photo of me wearing next to the "giant asparagus".

June 12, 2003 01/09 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 12, 2003 0830 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 12, 2003 00:21:40 Roger H

Watch out for Zappers
Dave -
I would like to thank you for your efforts in establishing this board.

I find a semblance of humanity has returned to the posts which I attribute to everyone being responsible for their own thoughts and writings. We do not need to agree or disagree with everything others write, but respect individual thought. The frustration with the other Board was due to "righteousness" being denied for the most flimsy reasons. I feel commentary here is honest and not written as personal attacks. When individuals are criticized, it's usually for questionable business practices, which usually are not illegal, just morally indefensible.

Did anyone see "60 Minutes" tonight. Ebay was one of the featured stories, and again Pierre was saying the success of Ebay is that "people are good". I believe in that concept. I have made almost 1000 purchases or sales on Ebay and only one $11.00 cash envelope went astray. That is as near perfect as my "one negative", which by the way was a non-stamp transaction of a guitar amplifier for a friend. (Duh!!) I think malicious posts are detrimental to good ongoing conversation, and we've witnessed that a number of times, primarily during full moon periods. All in all, I like it here, I like buying and selling on Ebay, and I have learned more during the last 3 years about philately, than my previous 20 years combined.

Thanks to everyone who has added to my knowledge base, and again, thanks Dave for putting together this Board. It's a pleasant place to be.

Roger

The title of my post is a reminder that open discussion is still not possible on the other Board, it has just metamophosed into something new and different.

June 11, 2003 22:16:59 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Board Evolution
I think I've weighed in before on my preference for a chronological board vs. a threaded board ... but I recently had a brainstorm. Why couldn't a threaded board be set up that allowed a viewer to see it in chronological order? You would have to have enough of a UI when reading to allow for 'Reply to this message' at each message rather than up at the top, but there's nothing that should force a user to read in a threaded manner. Visualize the same UI as we have here, but with a header line that looks more like the eBay header, except with a Reply button instead of the either the Auctions link or the Report button. If you wish to create a new thread, there's the message entry portion at the top of the page...

June 11, 2003 Jake

Threaded Board
Dave
JMHO but like the board the way this chat room is and if folks want to use a Threaded Message Board, why not direct them to CC Mouse's Stamp Talk as this is set up as a threaded board.

Would like to see EUSC stay at E-Bay, think it is the first place most will be looking for it, unless the whole format is changed and as someone else stated it is where the Newbies go.

June 11, 2003 21:00 Dave ("philatarium")

EUSC meetings & evolution
I agree with keeping the EUSC meetings over there for now.

Later on this week, it will have been one month ago that I gave it a go with this board. I had no idea if anyone would come over here, or if only dodgy seller info would end up here, or what. I figured I was only at risk for the amount that it cost to get this space, and that wasn't very much, and I was happy to pay it. Indeed, we are prepaid through the middle of June 2004, so we have some time to figure out what, collectively, we'd like to do.

If we decide to do nothing more than just have a discussion board here, then I'm happy with that. In that case, nearly all of the upfront work is done, and maintaining and moderating are quite minimal requirements, which I am happy to continue handling, if everyone's amenable.

I have also been experimenting a bit with the archives concept, and have a few more ideas for pages where regular contributors can share their collecting interests, where we can share good philatelic links that we've discovered, links to SCADS, the APS, other chat boards, other auction sites, etc.

I am also experimenting with the idea of creating some pages which collect the posts on a particular topic and give them their own separate pages. You'd still add to it from here, so the main discussion would still be here, but they'd be accumulated on a separate page for easy review. (In fact, as a test, I've been doing that with the posts on the threaded vs. chronological board.) We may be able to have volunteers to keep track of certain topics, assemble them and send them to me for posting.

Going forward, it would also be possible for other people to put together pages, either on identifying challenging stamps, or how to watermark on a scanner, or whatever, and we can put those up as reference pages. (I'm planning to do that with Ken Srail's recent repost about the perf test.)

Looking forward from there, we could really turn this into an independent website, perhaps a destination for stamp information, with its own domain name. (I seem to recall that someone (was it Bjorn?) acquired the iusc.org domain name for us.) Bill Seymour has, graciously as always, offered hosting space for us, and he is unencumbered by a bandwidth allowance; unfortunately, I am, and I'm trying to get a feeling for how rapidly it gets used up.

There's a lot of potential here, and all I've done is kinda test the waters for it. But I'm happy not to have this be exclusively my "baby", and I know there are still regulars from the eBay board who won't come over here, I think because they think that I hijacked the eBay board and essentially staged a coup.

For the record, I'm just a management consultant in real life who works on solving business problems. When eBay was getting insulting in the amount of posts they were deleting, I thought we could try this experiment, and decided that I would stay committed to seeing it through. That's my only motive in any of this, to see if it could be done. I have no commerical intentions, and am happy to either turn it over to something like an IUSC, or to work in tandem with such an entity, or to work on this affiliated basis with the EUSC. I'm not doing this for ego, only to give back to a group from whom I've learned extraordinarily.

Well, I guess this is one of the turns that a discussion sometimes takes, but, to put it back on track, I'm in favor of keeping the EUSC meetings over on eBay, until we figure out if an evolution is in our future.

June 11, 2003 Brian R

I think I got my own name right this time
Roger--Even after all my tirades against ebay, I think we MUST keep the EUSC over there. It's the only way to attract the newbies.....and get them to come over here. :o)

June 11, 2003 Bian R (briguy)

Brian :o)

June 11, 2003 Victor Horadam <horadam1@airmail.net>

General
Prometheus: Hopefully you are only one of many, but I suspect your observations are astute and predictive. Certainly the internet will stimulate younger collectors, as Philatelics becomes something one can pursue on-line. I must admit that ebay was the thing that reallu restarted my collection. (Should I thank or curse ebay, good question.)

June 11, 2003 19:10:30 Roger H

TOPIC OF MONTH
Paul - I agree with you entirely. It only takes your vote to convince me we are correct.

I personally would like to see everyone post an image and give a description of their favorite stamp, set, or cover, and why. ( I know a number of our regulars have done this on an ongoing basis, but many have not,) It will open up a diverse selection of images and interests. The secondary objective will be to assist "lurkers" who happen to be intimidated with the "linking image" process. I know one can read the basics in the Yellow Boxes, but maybe those of us who feel comfortable can mentor those who are hesitant. There could be a number of "firsts", and there should be no reason why any collector should be feel left out due to perceived computer technicalities.

This month's topic will start after weekly maintenance this Friday morning on the Ebay Board

Next topic - any suggestions for a topic next month?
Vic seems to have put forth good topics recently. The graying of the world and stamp shops away from home (I would like this to be the August Topic, as I will have returned from England and will be more than happy to coordinate the listing of names and addresses at that time.)

I do need a volunteer to host the July Topic of the Month. Your call, your weekend. You’re in charge. I may be lurking in England, but guarantee I won’t interfere. );>) So if anyone would like to step forward to be host in July I would appreciate an email. Just click on my Name.

Roger

June 11, 2003 Prometheus

Greying of Stamp Collectors reply
Victor H = I'm 23 and my Daughter is almost three she likes Triangle stamps .

But I will say when I walk into a Stamp store or gawk at the offerings at Antique/ collectible shows I get the same question
You collect stamps or you buying some for your dad?

One stamp store I like I don't think I've ever seen anyone under 50 besides myself in.

June 11, 2003 1843 Prometheus

CHas A = Thanks + Other stuff NOIP
Thanks for the info on that postage due

NOIP = Just came from an auction and I got Stanley Gibbons Catalogues 1967 edition , a small box of stamps from 1863 to 1995
some mint some used, a 1924 Scott's International Jr edition,
and Two letters from 1863

Trying to research the letter writers and recievers can anyone direct me to a search besides Google, or a resource on Ohio history. Eden Valley Doesn't show much at goolge.
Found it interesting both letters written during the War of Northern Agression and not one mention of it.
Although i am really happy with the way this OLDBEAUTY
survived the years the color and appearance are fantastic IMHO.
A very nice addition to my meager pile of Classic covers.

June 11, 2003 5.57pm Paul Barsdell <paul.b@webone.com.au>

Paul

June 11, 2003 Victor Horadam <horadam1@airmail.net>

The current state and future of stamp collecting
NOIP: I realize there is a greying of the US stamp collecting population. However, is the same process occuring in the rest of the world - Europe, South America, China, and the rest of the Far East and India? Does anyone know the statistics? Just wondering.....

June 11, 2003 chewie* <admiralstamps@sympatico.ca>

Threaded boards
Real quick, here's my 2-cents worth re: threaded chat boards. I don't like 'em. Not easily navigated, although the topics are generally organized. Greg's "Stamphead" has two venues for collectors. One is a threaded forum for discussions about anything and everything, and the other is a general chat. Absolutely fantastic.

By the way, I bought my scanner. Thanks for all the tips and techniques that you've shared over the last while. It has helped my a great deal.

June 11, 2003 Roger H

No Thread
Take a look at some of the threaded boards on Ebay, Does one honestly wish to search titles "HOPING" to find a discussion relevant to ones interests. Here on a chronological thread one either reads dilligently every post and clicks on every links, or skims untll something of interest appears. Look what happened to Rob Chesnut's thread. From what I've seen of threaded boards in my opinion are questions cast into the void hopin for answers. Same here, but at least it is conversational, and one may get , "I don't know, but I'll have a friend look in." Much better than having the friend search for the thread and make a comment.

Titles of threads are as important as titles on ebay auctions, if viewers use slightly different terminology, no answer may be forthcoming.

I must say it is very difficult to chose a TOPIC OF THE MONTH for the other Board when so many interesting topics have been covered here over the past few weeks. It is very tempting to post on the Other Board that the EUSC TOPIC OFTHE MONTH will be discussed here, rather than there.

Asbestos coat already for emergency use.

Roger

June 11, 2003 16:14 Jim Gaul <terrynjim@enter.net>

Unique or Deceptive selling!
click here: Hi all, Just an experiment to see if this works. I noticed this unique way a seller has of selling common ordinary stamps using NAZI in the title and listing under German area. Of course the stamps aren't from Germany nor do they have anything to do with NAZI collectibles! Jimbo2

June 11, 2003 4:00PM Bill Weiss

Various
Just a couple of quick thoughts...I like the board the way it is. The San Francisco cover had, in my opinion, the pen added AFTER the perfectly OK usage, probably by someone just doodling for fun fifty years after the 1864 use. Nomad is correct. We lose sight of the fact that at one time covers were considered philatelic junk, received no respect and a cover like this at the dawn of the 20th Century would have been worth roughly...nothing. Thus the party who doodled was likely just passing time, nothing more serious.

June 11, 2003 Allan

Chuck Harm, I have also noticed info@allstamps.com "overpricing". My guess is that they use Ebay as a cheap way to advertise their extensive stock and sometimes strike it lucky with a bid. Unfortunately (for me) the trend is for dealers to use Ebay to sell stamps/covers at (full) retail prices.
Allan
 

June 11, 2003 Chuck Harm <macalusoharm@sprintmail.com>

info@allstamps.com
Does anyone understand the pricing of info@allstamps.com? The starting prices are >2x other delaers pricelists and ~95% of his auctions close with no bids. Can this be profitable? Note I am irritated because he put about a bunch of Indian military stamps I'd like but the pricing is astronomical.

June 11, 2003 03.36pm Paul Barsdell <paul.b@webone.com.au>

Paul

June 11, 2003 Brian R

I appreciate the comments, its definately a different kind of item.

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://w
 

Dang D2, your memory must be failing.
You are the one that told me it was Presidents day and he was exhibiting UK to Europe. 19th century.
Gotta go to bed now.
If I wore what most of the Poms wear I don't think they'd even let me back across the border into Texas (alive that is).

June 11, 2003 David Benson

of course you can wear what you like and you will be sent to the corner of the room, made to sit on a tall chair with a long pointed hat on your head. Remember when in Rome do what the Romans do, when in London do what the Poms do, wear a suit, stetson's are out of place.

what is the display,

David Benson

June 11, 2003 1500 Terry P

Threaded board
Hi, Have not posted here before but read this board, as well as 3 or 4 others, a couple of times a day and since you expressed an interest in the preferences of the peanut gallery I'll vote for a non-threaded board.
Terry

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

How about jeans, t-shirt and my white sunday stetson?
With emblazoned beltbuckle on newly cleaned (about 2 weeks) jeans and s***-kicker boots?????
They wouldn't let me bring the accoutriments of my other hobby with me into the country!!

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Previous link of forgery is bad. Sorry

Here is the "ASCIANO" forgery.

Paolo

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

David B.
I saw that CDS "ASCIANO" (it reads like that, even though it isn't well impressed) on a similarly executed forgery of the 3 lire of the provisional government of Tuscany 1860 Issue (on hand-made watermarked paper -- easy to tell apart, though -- vertically interlaced wavy lines a litttle too wide and too deeply impressed).
You can see it here

here is a genuine copy (vastly repaired) with a genuine CDS "LIVORNO" (one of the various types).

Paolo
 

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Jim, it's up to you but there's a dress inspection as you enter, all louts, hooligans, under 30's and anyone wearing Jeans and T shirts are quietly asked to leave.

David Benson

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

So David
should I wear a suit or jeans and a T-shirt to the Royal tomorrow???

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Paolo, you should get a positive response and withdrawal of item.

David Benson

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

This is the e-mail I sent to rubystamps:

"Dear Sir,
This to inform you that it is my opinion your item listed at eBay, Tuscany 2 soldi used, also in the title of this e-mail, is a forgery.
Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia
(eBay ID: vonbag)"
If he asks an explanation, I'll take the time for it. Anyhow, it'd be better for him to cancel the auction in order to save on eBay's fees.

I vote for chronological board, too.

Brian from the scan I think that that cover is legit. If I collected US stamps, I would bid on it JUST to examine it in the flesh, and I am kind of positive I would not contradict myself :-)

Hi Knud-Erik hope all is fine! You have one Italian connection: it's me! *LOL* {;0)

Paolo

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

June 11, 2003 12:43 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

The flood gates are opening
Ashleigh The Flood Gates are opening!

June 11, 2003 Dave P

Sniped!

June 11, 2003 Dave P

New kind of forgery?
And the guy has 49 of them for sale ..........

June 11, 2003 chas adrion

Prometheus , thats a common one, 25c tops, although nice to see on cover.
 

June 11, 2003 12:39 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Original text
Das Material das von mir nicht benötigt wird,stelle ich zur Auktion wieder ein. Wenn nicht anders angegeben sind alle angebotenen Briefmarken nicht von einem Bundesprüfer geprüft worden. Vorhandene Prüfungen,Prüfzeichen, Signaturen und Atteste sind als verbindlich anzuerkennen. Ich versuche nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen die Ware anzubieten. Fehler werden angegeben. Sollte mal was von mir übersehen werden ( ich mach genauso Fehler wie andere Menschen auch ) ist das kein Grund gleich eine negative Bewertung abzugeben,da man sich zu 99% einigen kann. Der Versand erfolgt nach einigen schlechten Erfahrungen, grundsätzlich sofort nach eingegangener Zahlung. Fehlerhafte Ware nehme ich bis 14 Tage nach Erhalt ( Datum Poststempel ) unter Erstattung des Kaufpreises sowie der Rücksende-Kosten zurück. Ansonsten gilt : Kauf wie besehen,besonders bei gestempelten Briefmarken ( ich bin nun mal leider kein Briefmarkenprüfer ). Wem das alles nicht passt, einfach nicht bieten !!!!!!!

June 11, 2003 12.38 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/GB_Special_Issues/
 

Colin

June 11, 2003 12:37 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

ROTFLMAO translation
The material that of me not necessarily place becomes I the auction again on. If not differently are indicated all offered stamps not of an alliance inspector tested become. Available tests check character, signature and certificate are to be acknowledged as binding. I try to offer the ware after best knowledge and conscience. Mistakes are indicated. Should once what by me surveyed become (I make just as mistake as well as other persons also) is to be delivered unite can itself that no reason immediately a negative estimation there one 99%. Otherwise counts: purchase how examine especially in stamped stamps (I am now once unfortunately no stamps inspector). Simply do not offer whom that of all does not fit,!

June 11, 2003 12:35 Bjorn Munch (bjornmu)

A new kind of forgery
Huh? That looks like it's supposed to be Norway #1
 

June 11, 2003 12:26 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 11, 2003 2025 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 11, 2003 12.20 Dave P (orthorpteran)

Changing the subject - tomorrow (Thursday) is an Ebay FLD on the UK site .... sort of! If the item sells and the buyer pays through Paypal then the listing fee and Paypal fee are refunded, but, unless I have misunderstood, if it fails to sell or payment is made some other way then you get nowt back.

June 11, 2003 2008 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 11, 2003 1207 Prometheus

Precancels = Chas A
If you still have your book out
How about a NORTHHAMPTONMASSPD

and for those that might know why postage due do i not understand the rates in 1922 paddington-USApd?

BBL this evening
 

June 11, 2003 2005 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 11, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

How about a threaded board and a chrono. board, linked. That way this board can be used for general discussion, and if a topic warrants a specific thread, it can be started on the threaded board? Just a thought.

June 11, 2003 Jim Watson

Knud-Erik,
Thanks much for the help. That's what happens when you do a writeup before coffee! I think I've got it right now although I have to call it 1885-91 (?). Maybe I should have shown this Madagascar.

Prometheus,
It would be interesting to see another cover to the same addressee. Might help establish a date. TIA!

Dave F.
Threaded boards are nice for following a single topic; but, if you want to keep up with the whole party, threaded boards are very slow
Just my ½¢

June 11, 2003 11:49 Dave ("philatarium")

threaded board
Prometheus: Just to clarify, the content of the Stamphead forum would not necessarily be similar, just the organizational structure, like folders, etc. The Stamphead forum looks a little bit different than the disbanded eBay stamp discussion board, and the rough prototypes from these two people are similar to Stamphead, so that's why I linked to it.

I do agree with you that, for the most part, boards linked to commercial sites do by their nature tend to revolve around that, whether that was their original intention or not.

I wasn't planning to jump in this soon with a post, but wanted to clarify. Please keep posting. I would like to consider this thread "open" for a day or two at least.

June 11, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Threaded Vs Chrono
just my personal view but i heat threaded boards for general discussion sites like this one!
Regards to all
Mauro

June 11, 2003 1133 Prometheus

DAVE= Threaded Boards ?
I prefer the rambling type This type
I dislike threaded boards for two reasons
1. If the "chat" on a thread changes directions I might miss something I could have used But didn't see because of the Thread Topic

2. If you do thread Please don't have it send me emails about responses I sometimes get them from Things I asked 10 months ago
on threaded boards and most times when I take the time to go see
it's others who have changed direction and bang i've lost 4 or 5 minutes of Stamp time.
My thoughts
Although the majority rules .
But I just looked at the boards you referred to and only Two new posts at the threads at the Yellow Boxes , and One was about stamps like kids put on Paper, and the other a hello no discussion, a bunch of things from a few years ago that were current then But....
and it seems to me that Boards tied to a site seem to become Buying and selling forums not Stamp Info which is what I need/desire/crave.
Other than RichardF's board it seems most (i have seen) lack much info,
IMHO

June 11, 2003 Brian R

A Known Entity = GOOD :o)
Unknown Change = BAD :o(

June 11, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Colin - Thanks for the well wishes, we'll see how long status quo can be maintained.

June 11, 2003 chas adrion <cadrion@rochester.rr.com>

precancels from west grove pennsylvania
Here are two cousins of the West Grove you posted....
L4 & L5 .

The L4 is all upper case, L5 lower case... L5's come with and without the period after Penna.

Their catalog value has been raised to 20$ each in the latest PSS T7T catalog.

 

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

dave
Chronological.
In spite of having all kinds of jet lags.

June 11, 2003 11.02 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_GB_Machins/
 

Colin

June 11, 2003 10:58 Dave ("philatarium")

Threaded Board?
Could I get a feeling from people about whether you'd prefer a threaded board over this type of board (chronological)?

A threaded board, for those who might not be sure, is similar to the Stamp Discussion Board that eBay used to have, where each "thread" has a specific topic and the subsequent responses are (ideally) focused on that topic. (CCMouse's board and Greg's Stamphead.com Forum are two other examples. I'm going to list a link to Greg's because that's most similar to what might be possible:
http://forum.stamphead.com/

I ask this question because I have now been approached by two different individuals with proposals to develop such a board, and I feel obliged to put this before the participants.

I can see strengths with each approach, and I may write more about this a little later.

In the meantime, though, I'd like to know, what do you think?

(And, please, balcony sitters, come on down and let us know!)

June 11, 2003 Prometheus

JIM Watson = your today's card
I'll have to go digging but i have at least one postcard to same addressee from Switzerland in the 1880's as i'm digging out some stamps for some trading partners right now will find it later or tomorrow and share with you.

Nomad = I have a list of dates I collect as I'm sure you and many others do, and I also always pick out the cards ,letters that have stamps on them but were never mailed, I have a lot of unused Canadian stuff from early 1900's nice stamps stuck on postcards never mailed, and about 50 US .

June 11, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Colin - I have no doubt others may have experienced problems. I just haven't had any of the problems that others seem to have. He's always sent me confirmation notices, usually within 2 days, and the items have always made it here in good order. And of course, I've always left positive feedback, as the quality of the material I've rec'd has always offset the delays in receiving it. As long as it maintains in this fashion for me, I will continue to shop with them. If the quality of the items takes a nosedive or if something else starts going wacky, then I will probably stop buying. But that's how I treat all sellers regardless.

June 11, 2003 10.28 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_stamps
 

Colin

June 11, 2003 9:48 am Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

On rugby - Yeah, but do they have cheerleading squads and tailgate parties?

June 11, 2003 09.41 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 11, 2003 nomad55

Prometheus....I've been picking up Feb 29 cancels whenever I find them. Most dealers don't pay attention to the exact cancellation date, but I do.

June 11, 2003 0930 Prometheus

Nomad = Thanks
I will soon have that book so I can label correctly when i share

The only dates I really Can't wait to share are the 29 febs
Personal favorites of mine.

June 11, 2003 nomad55

SF badly butchered cover
Let me take a different shot at it.
Cogwheel is OK, somebody after the fact was doodling geometric designs onto the stamp. IMHO, the pen marks were applied over (i.e. after) the cog wheel.

June 11, 2003 nomad55

SF badly butchered cover
Let me take a different shot at it.
Cogwheel is OK, somebody after the fact was doodling geometric designs onto the stamp. IMHO, the pen marks were applied over (i.e. after) the cog wheel.

June 11, 2003 nomad55

Prometheus....your latest pic of the card has a Time-Cummins cancellation.

June 11, 2003 Brian R

The obviously untied pen cancels
The existance of the pen cancels along with the cog (not sure but I don't think thats right)
The tear paolo mentioned, hasn't seemed to affect the stamp at all
You can see open areas, where there is no cancel ink, in the perfs, along the bottom.

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Brian the ink color of the "S. Francisco CAL" and the one of the cogwheel fancy cancel appear to be very similar, if not identical.
Also note the tear on cover front NE corner, which seems to extend on right side of the stamp, at about 2/3 from top (besides, the adhesive has other visible damage).

Paolo

June 11, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

Maybe someone else can spot something that will confirm either one of my suspicions, or point to something else. instead.

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Paul B. well said. I fully agree, even though I have a few personal reserves for that to be applied as an excuse for pesser@home.nl. He is a stamp dealer on eBay, he's making money and his delays in delivering the goods to his customers are not small (2-3 weeks) but enormous (also two months for shipping within Holland, I personally experienced this, where the mail can also travel to destination in one single day). Then, as you can see, e.g. in the case of D2, somebody doesn't even receive it at all.

I agree that accumulations of Negative Feedbacks doesn't say much, albeit it should remain an alarm bell.

Follow two examples (this is for David B.) of sellers with high ratio positive/negative f.b.'s and with misdescribed high end material:

1. this is a clear forgery.

2. this is grossly overpriced. This cover could go for about US$30.00 because it isn't "very good".

This being just my opinion, of course. Paolo

 

June 11, 2003 06.42am Paul Barsdell <paul.b@webone.com.au>

Paul

June 11, 2003 06.07am Paul Barsdell <paul.b@webone.com.au>

Paul

June 11, 2003 0551 Prometheus

Jim Lawler = Reply
Yes Jim I did
and here it is if you like to see precancells

Maine

and here is my version of today's mail JUN111912

I just bought at Stampoffers auction site a cyclopedia of cancels and hope one day to know what type this is.
I know that the arrangement of the month and day/time slugs is different than the thousands of others i have .

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Marius
Are we talking Rugby League or Rugby Union?
And BTW, I believe it was first time Maoris lost at home in 10 years. :-Þ

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Sveiki! Thank you :-)


Jim W-S you are as usual correct. I had a very bad experience with grog, in the past (hope nobody reading is called Grog; apologies in advance, just in case). It seems I never learn, though.


Paolo (I wonder when maturity will finally smile at me with its rotten teeth)
 

June 11, 2003 sveiki!

knuden jeg har lagt en besked til dig på FM. {:o)

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

paolo
Not sure if jenever and whisky mix too well!!
Experimentation may provide an answer!!

June 11, 2003 Marius

Jim Origin footy is played at level of intensity much higher than most internationals. It's because we hate those cockroaches so much. (D2 excepted)

June 11, 2003 Jim Lawler

Prometheus
Did you find the precancel parcel post you're looknig for?

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

David B., I agree, albeit I am not totally sure whether he's pretending to be not knowlegeable in philatelic matters or he really is. He could at least know something on Dutch Issues.

By the way: I don't remember if I told you this some months ago: checking that Dutch 1st Issue collection you kindly sent me an e-mail about, I found a vertical pair of the 5c. grey blue, plate 2, used, on vertically ribbed paper. A dealer/expert acquaintance of mine had looked at it and said that in his opinion it wasn't ribbed, but since I noticed he was examining the pair against the light (in translucency) to detect the ribbed paper, I knew his opinion wasn't worthed.
In fact, the vertical pair sold at auction here in Holland for 250 euro, which isn't a bad realisation.

Regarding the trip to Italy: Thank you, but I am not quite left yet. Having alternate feelings for those natives, though :-)
For Jim's visit I will use some bottles of jenever as ammunition,

Paolo

June 11, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Marius
Will it rank with UK verses the Kiwis? (23 to 9, I believe was the score).

David B
Paolo is but a youngster when it comes to grog.

June 11, 2003 sveiki!

Paolo ;-) Apology granted. *hehe*

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Marius, it's OK, I found it,

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,6581257-23210,00.html

David Benson

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Marius, what's the score at 1/2 time,

David Benson

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Paolo, I can't believe that anyone would belive they were OK. It appears that the seller has very poor philatelic knowledge and I noticed today that he even mixed up the country in one of his lots. There will always be bidders as Ebay has a lot of bidders who check catalog value and bid and don't even realise anything about condition or possibly forgeries. Have a nice time in Italy, you will find the natives friendly.

ps. look after IO and don't ply him with various liquids, I hear he can't handle grog too well.

David Benson

June 11, 2003 03:58 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a registered cover from Denmark to Italy in 1897. This one had a nice high value on cover.

June 11, 2003 03:47 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

NYFM
Bill Weiss Yes I am a life member of the US Philatelics Classics Society and have your book. Because I collected NYFM in the 1970's your book had not even been researched yet. That is why my collection is organized by the Van Vlissigen and Waud system. Sorry to hear about the problem with the numbering system license.

June 11, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Apologies' Day :-)
As I usually do every year, I hereby apologise -- and instantly absolve myself -- for any omissions, dismissions, eventual offences, mostly conceived in self defence, I might have launched from this or any other base.
David B. sorry to read you still didn't get that item you cared for, despite the seller clearly stated to have mailed it.

Wonder if they thought that those were the real things.

June 11, 2003 03:38 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 11, 2003 Alan Payne (Jherek99) <Jherek@bigpond.com>

Why anyone would want ot watch thugby I don't know
*sigh* *vbg*

Alan

June 11, 2003 Marius

Marius (diehard Queenslander)

June 11, 2003 0:08:40 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

on pessers@...
I've also had no problems with Pessers, once you get past the 6-12 week wait for material. But then, I've pretty much only purchased reasonably cheap lots from them.

June 11, 2003 David Benson

Brian, I am not sure that Pessers is dishonest, just badly disorganised. That is the reason that he has attained such a high level of red marks against his name. He admitted that he is too busy listing and hasn't got time to answer emails or to pack, post or handle queries. He does list some unusual material and no matter how many red marks he gets there will always be customers. He has angered some important people who will make sure that he doesn't continue with the same haphazard treatment of his customers. I don't blame anyone from bidding.

David Benson

June 11, 2003 Brian R

In no way were my comments ment to be a statement on either of your judgements or anyone else I may have insulted.

June 10, 2003 David Benson

Marius, isn't there a football game on tonight,

David Benson

June 10, 2003 10:48 pm Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

June 10, 2003 Marius

In the paper today

June 10, 2003 Brian R

Tonights stamp humor post
Bill C. and Bill W. You guys both sound like experts on fancy cancels. Where can I find this one listed?

June 10, 2003 David Benson

Allan, at least it doesn't need the expense to get a certificate, it comes with a pretty pink one.

David Bensonm

June 10, 2003 Bjorn L

Dave, the archive looks fine to me.

June 10, 2003 21:31 Dave ("philatarium")

Archive
Just wanted to post a second request for a few people to look at the archives prototype, and see if you think it will serve us in good stead for a while:

http://www.pacificanalytics.com/stampchat/

Duncan: Thanks for your input!

 

June 10, 2003 8:15PM Bill Weiss

Various
Have been gone all day with our auction viewing and just got back on. All questions are being handled by others. I did want to say to BILL C.; I am getting old, so no I don't remember all that NYFM activity, but I assume your talking about you and I? Gosh, I absolutely couldn't see the NYFM on the 3-cent pair! I was a bit suprised however, that you quoted the Van Vlissingen-Waud number instead of MINE! You must be aware that I wrote and published a new book on NYFMs in 1990? If you are unaware of it, send me an email with your mailing address and I'll send you info. I also have a handy little booklet which shows all the NYFM cancels and rates their rarity off cover and tells you how many are known on cover (as of 1990 census). Most major auction houses (who aren't lazy) now use my NYFM numbers. I myself use both mine and V-W numbers like this; ST-8P11(A1) so that anyone can convert my numbers to V-W numbers. I had to develope a new numbering system because the owners of the copyright for the V-W book (The Chicago Collector's Club) denied me permission to use the V-W numbers, which has alway galled me how an organization supposedly dedicated to philately would greedily guard something like a numbering system when it was obvious a new one would be invented which would replace theirs! Anyway, I'm glad to see your a NYFM fan.
Done for tonight.

June 10, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

antiquetraders (private)
This li'l con man is up to the usual. Provate feedback and private auction

Rare Tinghai Silver Yuan $1,200

The full description of the item reads:
Rare Tinghai silver yuan surcharge, VF, catalog value at $1,200. Start low and no reserve. Sold as is.

No more talk about "souvenirs"

If anyone agrees that this is almost certainly a fake, I'll happily report this to eBay.
 

June 10, 2003 allan

PAPUA AIR MAIL Gibbons 112a VARIETY
2932397545
Is the bidding/bidders kosher on this forged item?
 

June 10, 2003 Bob Hohertz

Hi, Paolo! Just taking a quick look at boards - gotta go pack - middle daughter getting married Sunday. Have a good trip home, when you go!

June 10, 2003 Brian R

Prometheus Your CSA stamp is a real one. It's a #11 Archer & Daly printing, in blue-green ink. Sorry, I can't make out anything on the cancel but "burg" Unfortunately, about 25% of the cities in the CSA ended in burg. If you can make out the first few letters that show, perhaps, I can extapolate it for you. If you're going to be auctioning it, it'll probablely bring more if the cxl is ID'ed. Heck, I might buy it. :o)

June 10, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

RDHinStL -- Hi Bob, greetings in return to you and Pat from me and Michelle. I had a little home trouble the day before yesterday, brutally materialized in a misspelling on an "s" for and "h". I know I shouldn't care, though (the sorts of grass can be mixed and confused at much higher level, metaphorically speaking).

All the best, Paolo

June 10, 2003 6:28 pm Bob in WA

Chestnut Chat
Steve -- I also didn't get on until about 20 minutes in, because it took that long to get the buggy software to work. It kept freezing up or just sitting doing nothing, and I finally had to close everything and start over. Not that I missed much. I had submitted a question early which never appeared, natch. Presumably a transcript will be posted here, if anyone is interested:
http://www.pages.ebay.com/event/robc2/index.html
 

June 10, 2003 6:24 pm Bob in WA

BEP "proofs"
I noticed an article in the May 19 Stamp Collector by Peter Schwartz (p 12) describing these phoney "proofs" on eBay cut from cheap BEP cards, and taking this seller to task. Unfortunately most people likely to be thus scammed probably don't read SC.

June 10, 2003 Helen Hunt

There are several other words that apply, but nice people don't use them in a public place. Helen

June 10, 2003 6:13 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

What a waste!

June 10, 2003 David Benson

Just been reading Rob Chesnut question and answers, only one word for it

BBBBBBOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGGGG

David Benson

June 10, 2003 Bob Hohertz

People end up listing items twice by mistake numerous times daily and come to the EC Board and ask what to do. We tell them how to cancel one and then to go to Billing and ask for credit on the other. So far as I know, it works. But if you just cancel an auction, I doubt there are many stories that will get the listing fee back.

June 10, 2003 David Benson

AFAIK, the listing fee still applies no matter what excuse is given.

David Benson

June 10, 2003 Jake

Well I'll give him credit, he is 'Slick", as he has canceled out the bid he had on that item at Stampoffers, suppose that keeps him from getting turned in at E-Bay, but I believe two of the items were BIN on stampoffers, so wonder how that will work. guess it will be up to the buye of the lots to find out.

June 10, 2003 Bob Hohertz

Double Listings
In order not to be charged the listing fee on eBay he has to tell Billing something plausible as to how they got listed by mistake...

June 10, 2003 Jake

Double Listings
David Benson
Sorry missed your question last nite on "Logic" of double listing.
Only thing that comes to mind is "Greed", as the seller managed to get a better starting bid for the item at Stampoffers,after bids were entered on E-Bay, thus eliminating any Fees at E-Bay if he cancels the auction out early. Which it appears he has done with all four of these items at E-Bay, Item#s 2933227235, 2933220841, 2933582788 and 2933582797
No listing fees on Stampoffers , plus commission on sales does not start till item sells for $20.00 on up.

June 10, 2003 1721 Prometheus

ED B = Thank you More Postal History Questions
and DBenson too

Guess I'll have to add a Barefoot to my long list of books i want/need.
and a Durlands and one on precancels, and one on Perfins, and etc, and so forth.

Brigguy or anyone might this be a real Rebel stampJEFF
and for you real experts do cancels even partials like HIGHSEAS add any value to this stamp or stamps like him.??
 

June 10, 2003 17:08 Paladigm <plemon@paladigm.com>

Fraud
I see that we have another seller on ebay offering BEP "proofs". Someone has bid $40 for it. Item number 2933351913.

I emailed the seller with the following message "I assume that you know that your item is not a "proof". As such you are committing fraud. I will be forwarding your name to the US Attorney that is looking into ebay fraud. Sleep well!"
 

June 10, 2003 17:00 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p)

Trust and Security Chat has started
A HREF="http://pages.ebay.com/event/robc2/index.html?ssPageName=CMDV:IC0239"
>Live Chat Event

Tuesday 6/10 5pm PDT

Rob Chesnut, VP of T&S

Rob will discuss and field questions about site
policies and the proactive steps that eBay is taking to combat
fraud and maintain a safe online marketplace.

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June 10, 2003 17:00 Dave ("philatarium")

eBay Live Chat w/ Rob Chestnut
Just a quick reminder that the eBay Live Chat with Rob Chestnut is beginning now.

http://pages.ebay.com/event/robc2/index.html?ssPageName=CMDV:IC0239

June 10, 2003 0015 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 10, 2003 4:12 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

What card??
Knud-Erik Ooops! I misread your email...it is one of your two options.

June 10, 2003 4:10 PM Steve Taylor (aka philcomp) http://www.timeblaster.com/tbeindex.shtml
 

What card??
Knud-Erik It is neither. It is a UX33 (UPSS S45-41) (San Francisco surcharge). The CV is $3 according to the UPSS (2000 edition) though that copy is undoubtedly worth much more given the overseas destination.

June 10, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Brian, the seller lists hundreds of lots a week and there are many bidders who bid and don't get material. One was me and I lost $ 17 on an item I would love to have. The thing that annoyed me was that I sent he about 20 emails without a single reply. I contacted Paolo and asked him to ring and the seller then sent me an email which said it was posted. Of course it never arrived. Because I left a negative I have been in contact with a lot of buyers who had never received material, some into the $100's. It appears that one of them is going to take him to court and is trying to get others to join in a class action. I don't know how that works in Holland as most of the other people that are complaining are in Greece.

David Benson

June 10, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Prometheus, sorry, had to take daughter to school, I don't know the value as I haven't got a catalogue on GB fiscals but I know that it is fairly common.

June 10, 2003 Prometheus

Thanks to DBenson and Nomad
DBenson did you happen to take a look at the GB consular 2lb I posted at 0600

I'll take your opinions that the cards are real just wish I could find the Censors name in my west point books or the 115 Aero Squadron somewhere Google and the USAF sites came up blank.

Thunderstorms BBL

June 10, 2003 Brian R

D2 I took a look at the ebay account, of the seller, you linked a web site about. HOLY COW! 468 negs/neutrals. What kind of a moron would deal with such a seller at any level? I think that guy is trying to take the a-hole title from the Disney spammer.

June 10, 2003 David Benson

Prometheus, they are most probably genuine but enclosed in an outer letter.

David Benson

June 10, 2003 nomad55

Prometheus

Your cards are legitimate, but they were never mailed as postcards, since there are no postal markings. These were inserted into an envelope and mailed free from soldiers in France. The envelope would have the postmark.

The additional signature on the message side of each is the censor's approval.

Technically, they are not postal history.

June 10, 2003 1524 Prometheus <prometheus@yada-yada.com>

MAURO-Reply on fake? PCs
Here are two of the postcards in question ( at least in my mind)

Scan of pretty parts HereVintage
Here is scan of back of Soldier and girl Maybereal
and upon further look my opinion NOway might help to have an address on card or a UNIT That existed

at least I don't think he can fake the V-Mails i got from him

June 10, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Looks like a few buyers haven't been happy with a certain seller in Holland,
http://members.lycos.nl/stopthefraud/

David Benson

June 10, 2003 14.22 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 10, 2003 Duncan Doenitz

Archives
Dave I tried a search of the archives for May (looking for "CSA"), and it worked perfectly.

Dunc

June 10, 2003 Prometheus

MAURO-Reply
Yes in a little while
I have Stamps everywhere right now
Trying to find a Precancelled Parcel Post Stamp for someone
Guess I better stop filling Glassines and try stock pages might make it easier to find things.

June 10, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Prometheus PCs
Prometheus, Can you provide front and back scans?

June 10, 2003 12:52 Dave ('philatarium') <dfrick@pacificanalytics.com>

StampChat Archives
As I've alluded to in some past posts, I have constructed, in a fashion, an archive of the board's posts. (I should point out that none of the posts goes away anyway, they're just a little harder to navigate, showing 100 posts at a time.)

I tried to come up with something that is a compromise, and, as such, it will fall a little short to some of us. Basically, I have constructed a webpage for each month's posts. You can click on the link, pull up the posts for the month you want, and then can do a "Control-F" keyword search of that month. Thus, to search a year's worth of posts, you'd only need to conduct that search 12 times. (Yes, I know you database professionals are shuddering in horror.) But it's better than the current structure. And it's much better than what we had at eBay, which was nothing.

Currently, I'm hosting these pages (which are big) at my website, and I'll monitor bandwidth usage to see much this uses up. If it looks like it's going to be a problem, then Bill Seymour has offered to host them for us.

I'm not going to put the link up at the top of this page just yet, until I figure out what kinds of problems people are having with them. Once we get the kinks worked out, then I will.

I have checked this out with IE 6.0, Opera 7.10, and Netscape 6.2, on a Windows XP platform and everything checks out, more or less. (Some formatting niceties, like colored horizontal lines, are lost in Opera, and a few more in Netscape, but nothing that I can discern that affects its functionality.)

I also no longer have the capability to check this with an Apple.

So, if some of you could take a look at this and let me know what you think and how it performs, I'd be appreciative.

StampChat Archives

June 10, 2003 Prometheus

POSTAL HISTORY QUESTION=Anyone?
Today while sorting some postcards found some WW1 that have NO markings of any kind, No Censor, no CDS of anykind, Just Free Soldiers mail in corner
Has anyone seen many with NO marks at all, or did I just find another Postcard dealer has been bending me over.
Need to know if i should send the guy a jar of Vaseline and say use this next time for both our sakes.
Just Wondering?

June 10, 2003 1231 Prometheus

Richard B= Russia
Are you buying spanish stamps from russia?
I have only tried to purchase ONCE from Eastern Europe My payments were Never Recieved.
I was dumb enuf to send twice.

June 10, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

Anyone have an electron microscope I can borrow?

June 10, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Mauro - Thanks. I don't see that he accepts Paypal, just cash checks and money orders. He may have an address to send payment to, within the U.S. I'll have to find out before I decide to bid.

June 10, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz

Money to Eastern Europe II
Richard B: sorry, the correct address is WWW.MONEYBOOKERS.COM

June 10, 2003 Mauro Mowszowicz <sales@>

Money to eastern europe
Richard Ballhagen: i have been quite unlucky sending cash to Eastern Europe, my advice is use PayPal, BidPay or www.moneybrokers.com wich works just GREAT with Eastern Europe countries.
Regards

Mauro

June 10, 2003 nomad55

Yep, those are springfields. I've owned a set since the 1960's, used just as you see in the pic, as space fillers. Mine are marked on the back, although there are copies that are not so identified.

(prefer my Confederates on cover)

June 10, 2003 Brian R

Maybe, the above story, tells more about the collective gene pool that I arose from, than the stamps. LOL!

June 10, 2003 Bob Hohertz

Jim, Give our warmest regards to Paolo and Michelle when you see them, would you? Thanks!

June 10, 2003 Prometheus

Thanks= Brigguy
Thanks for the Info Brian , when i bought the album didn't even notice them the page was back mixed with the UN Stamps,

 

June 10, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

I forget most of the details, but there is an interesting story behind them. The designs used, were the origional hand drawings of the grandaddy of all CSA collecters, August Dietz (Same guy who wrote the Dietz catalog--the bible of CSA collectors). Apparently, the company reproduced the images without permission, and there was some kind of legal action back then. I belive that one of the results was the inclusion of the "facsimile" stamp to the back of each. The earlier sets, without the disclaimer, even today, still manage to nail a few newbies!

June 10, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

OK maarten,
I'll agree to whisky without an "e".
I did a tour of architectural marvels todays.
Starting at King's X and walking entire length of Marylebone road to Edgware road then north to the Grand Union Canal where I photographed buidling I lived in up to age 6.
Then over to Little Venice and my former High School, which still stands.
Then to my Primary School which also still stands.
Then to my houses I lived in till age 16.
Then back to Leicester Square, Charing X, Vera Trinders, the Royal Mail post office (Mark I got your presige book).
Then Trafalgar square, Whitehall, Downing St, Houses of Parliament, Big Ben, the London Eye, Blackfriars,Farringdon Rd and back to Luton.
About a 10 mile walk.

June 10, 2003 10:56 am Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

private feedback
Never having been a private feedback user, I'm not sure how it works. As a buyer with private feedback, is it not at least visible to seller who you might have a bid with? If not, it should be. I see alot of sellers state that the ywill not sell to bidders with, say, less than a 10 feedback. I think it's just as important for sellers to see the feedback of the potential winning bidders, as it is for potential bidders to see the feedback of sellers. I think I'd cancel a bid from a bidder with private feedback, if I wasn't able to view it as a seller.

June 10, 2003 10:45 am Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Question to anyone - I've bought stamps from various countries but never from Russia, should I have any reservations about sending small amounts of $US there?

June 10, 2003 10:36 Dave ("philatarium") <dfrick@pacificanalytics.com>

Brian: You're right -- the bold comes from not closing the bold tag. It's so easy to forget or to mistype, and it's the most common form of error on here. Bill Seymour has made a very smart suggestion to me about a change in the code that may address it. I've been waiting until I had my keenest powers of concentration available, because it's at a level that could cause all kinds of trouble if I don't do it correctly. (But I may try it during a slow point sometime today or tonight.)

Anyway, not to worry. The bold thing is easily fixable. (Sometimes errors in the links are not.)

June 10, 2003 Michael Engel <mengel44@aol.com>

Hyperlink Text
I don't know how that got other link got there....

June 10, 2003 1033 Prometheus

Question- for BriGuy Facsimile confederates
Do you know who made these Facsimile Confederate stamps, They are marked on back with the stamp number and Facsimilie
I bought an album and they were in it, Was just wondering if they were from the 60's or newer no stamp in album was newer than 1965,
These I wondered about
Thanks
Will try to find the couple of real? Confederate stamps I think i have to get an opinion.

June 10, 2003 1030 Michael Engel (joehill) <mengel44@aol.com>

What motivates sellers?
hyperlink text



Hype of the day. Having nothing better to do, I informed the seller, more or less politely, that he had been misinformed about the value--and that there were no stamps from the 1700s. His reply was that he indeed had stamps from the 1700s, that the experts had informed him correctly, that many of these stamps sold on eBay for $100-300, and at even $10 a stamp this was a bargain. Go figure...

June 10, 2003 Mark Bardell

Trust and Safety Board thread
Let me try that link again.... too many http's!!

Trust and Safety Board thread

June 10, 2003 10:25 Mark Bardell http://www.philatelicnetwork.com
 

Private Feedback.
Personally, I will only let people with private feedback bid on my auctions providing they have no negatives. If there are negatives shown and I cannot see them, I will cancel the bid and add them to my blocked bidder list.

As an aside, but still dealing with Ebay safety ( LOL !! ), there has been a thread running on the Trust and Safety board for just over a day now regarding yet another change that Ebay is making, which is going to make it even more difficult for shillers / fraud artists to be sought out. I'll link to the thread below as it does make some interesting reading ( especially Daphne's comments ). It's long, but worth half an hour just to read through.

Trust and Safety Board thread

June 10, 2003 Brian R

private stuff
Ferd I doubt anyone cares that your buying ID feedback is private. The only possible negative I could see, is that might scare some sellers into holding their items, until your funds clear. What troubles Bob, and all other concerned stampers, are the private auctions. I have yet to see a private auction in the stamps catagories that wasn't that way simply to facilitate fraud. It irks all of us, because ebay can't be so brain dead, as to not know this is the case.

June 10, 2003 10:19 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Stamp Quiz
Bill Weiss Do you remember a dealer who went to all the local shows in New Jersey and Western Pennsylvania 25 years ago? Do yoou rmemver a buyer who also went ot those shows buying up all the obscure NYFM? Do you remember that dealer asking the buyer what was ut? Small world. I was that buyer.

The stamp is a common NYFM Van Vlissigen and Waud type A1. The diameter is correct and the shape is clear once you look closely. That is the most common, but still nice on a pair of 3 cent greens.

Forgery Identification Site

June 10, 2003 Brian

Uhhmmmm Dave? Looks like I did it again. Am I doing all this by simply leaving off the close []tag?

June 10, 2003 10:05 Ferd W.

Feedback
For Bob in Wa. [ That must be for D.C.] Being a PRIVATE feedback user [ buyer only ] I feel it is no one else's business !!! If you look closely at the POWER SELLER'S Ebay protects you may well find many transactions of questionable heritage that suddenly follow Negative feedback.Generally feel it is a farce- while the bandits run wild and change names and Id's at will,the buyers get BURNT and Ebay says in effect " kiss off "! ! ! I do not wish to get a certificate for every item and have to battle with the seller,then have Ebay get the money,and pass!! FW

June 10, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

Bill C.--Please do post the answer to your stamp quiz. I've gone back three times to look at it, and have finally decided, that I'm not going to get it on my own!

June 10, 2003 9:36 Bob in WA

Guess it would make more sense with the link:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3418166053

June 10, 2003 9:35 Bob in WA

dangit
Bid TRIPLE the standing amount, still outbid. Managed to sneak in one more bid, to no avail. A NEW one of these went for less the other day. Had it bookmarked, then forgot until 9 minutes after auction ended!

June 10, 2003 Bob Hohertz

Hi, Richard - probably means all's right with the world for a few hours...

June 10, 2003 9:09 am Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Boy, all the boards are dead this morning.

June 10, 2003 9:09 Bob in WA

PRIVATE FEEDBACK, like the defendant who will not testify, arouses much suspicion, defeats the idea of the whole feedback system, and serves no good purpose.

PRIVATE AUCTIONS are very appropriate for risque adult material, easily maintained in that sequestered area behind a registry firewall. They are also proper for high-profile, high-ticket items, such as Jay Leno’s autographed motorcycle for 9-11 charities, where many celebrity bidders need to shield their eBay IDs. Such auctions are specially handled by eBay, and making them private poses no problem.

Everywhere else, they shield shill bidding and other chicanery, and should be disallowed.

What justification does eBay give for maintaining these two features, when their only function is to shield crooked sellers? Eliminating them could go a LONG way toward combating fraud and making eBay safer for bidders.
 

June 10, 2003 nomad55

Bill C...did you ever post up why you were so attracted to the pair of 3-cent green Washingtons? If so, I missed it.

June 10, 2003 0600 Prometheus <prometheus@yada-yada.com>

GB Question
Hello all and Good Morning

The Ongoing discussion here is still excellent and I'm still learning lots of great stuff.

Can anyone tell me about this GB Stamp Consular2lb
It was deeper in the box i bought than those Italian Consular Paolo
was so Kind to assist me with.
 

June 10, 2003 5:48 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Live Chat Event
>Live Chat Event

Tuesday 6/10 5pm PDT

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Rob will discuss and field questions about site
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SIZE="-1">Submit
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June 10, 2003 05:15 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a Zeppelin cover from Liechtenstein to Australia in 1931.

No, I don't think the Graf Zeppelin took it all the way to Australia but it did get it started.

June 10, 2003 04:37 AM Jim Lawler <jlawler@comteck.com>

Jim L.

June 10, 2003 sveiki!

Björn If one considers time is money and the buyer most probably isn't a stamp collector - it's actually quite cheap! {:o)

June 10, 2003 12.15 Dutch local time Maarten Willems

io Jim - Hope you'll enjoy your trip to London. Will there besides stamps shops and beer, be some time left for (contemporary) architecture and culture?

Apologies in advance for being nitpicking again, but Scotland (and Canada) produce whisky, US and Ireland whiskey. Don't ask me why. Anyway, I REALLY look forward to your visit to Holland next Friday. The plan is that, before we join Paolo and 'Miekiemuis' for dinner, there will be a brief moment for sampling a wee dram of the stuff (without an -e-).
 

June 10, 2003 Alan Payne (Jherek99)

Hi All

From freezing Melbourne

Alan

Looking forward to the day when the Sanjak of Alexandretta and North Ingermanland reappear,

 

June 10, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Hi knud-Erik
Having a great time, wish the weather was a bit brighter though yesterday was fine.
Off to London today to do some sightseeing and maybe stamp buying.
Plenty of good beer but maarten imported all the good whiskey to the Netherlands!!

June 10, 2003 01.15 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 10, 2003 01.08 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 10, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

bjorn
Hell is less deep than a thematic collectors pocket!!

June 09, 2003 22:52 Bjorn Munch (bjornmu)

There's one born every minute....
Yikes! Here is another newbie who'se been lured into overpaying for a stamp. This catalogues for $1.30, but he's paying $15+postage. OK it may be difficult to get one in the US and the buyer might be a fan, but still...
 

June 09, 2003 David Benson

Jake, I cannot understand the logic in listing in 2 places at once. Could you please explain the logic, if there is one, behind it. It can't be the starting price unless it has a high BIN on the other site.

David Benson

June 09, 2003 10:35 pm Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

riny218
Bill Weiss - I had a similar experience with them. They were offering, burried deep within one of their collection lots, a bunch of early Spanish forgeries by Peter Winter, with little identification tags next to them stating they were "proofs". Simply Amazing! I too emailed them to let them know they were cheap forgeries, and that proofs didn't exist in the colors of the ones they had. They kindly thanked me for the information and we exchanged a few emails, but nothing got corrected. They kept relisting the collection without correcting the identifications, or at least removing them seeing as they had cv's in the 1000's written on them. I emailed them every time I sawe it for a while then gave up. I believe these items are still listed as part of one of their lots somewhere, I just haven't looked in a while.

June 09, 2003 Jake

Double Listings
Bob in WA
Took the liberty to copy and pasted your comments on Double Listing over on Stampoffers but left off the bottom paragraph as not to get you in the middle of a spitting match. If they have enough interest in it , they can come here and read the whole thing.

June 09, 2003 Jake

Double Listings
NOIP
Okay, here's what happens when you have the same item on two different sites, had my bid in first on E-Bay, but seems the opening bid was for more money on Stampoffers at a later time, so E-Bay auction was canceled about an hour after my bid was placed. .

Guess this means don't bid on this sellers lots till you check all the other on line auction sites to see where else its being offered. Or just dont bid on unethical, sleezy sellers.


 

June 09, 2003 Helen Hunt

Helen

June 09, 2003 Bill Weiss

Riny218
SORRY FOLKS - IT'S REALLY "RINY218".

June 09, 2003 Laura Alves (laura598)

Bob Weiss Thank-you!
Bob I believe tott43 was looking for that info. He and I must have posted at the same moment and our post merged into one or something. laurel

June 09, 2003 8:30PM Bill Weiss

riny217
My last posting for awhile, but I did want to report the antics of this guy (riny217) as he's been mentioned before on this board as a seller sometimes offering questionable things. Last week I informed him that an 1865 US Newspaper stamp he was offering had a fake cancel, and what constituted a real cancel on the early Newspaper stamps. He thanked me and said he would note that if he decided to reoffer that item. This week (ebay item #2932774850) is another of the same stamp, also with a fake cancel. This time I warned him that the next time he offers a fake-cancelled early US Newspaper stamp I would report him to ebay for engaging in fraudulent sales, since I've now told him 2X that the ONLY genuine cancels on these stamps are heavy, ugly brush strokes. All others are fake. This information is well-documented and can be proven to ebay, if they really care! What really amazes me is that the guy has a huge feedback number with 99.7% good! How do these guys do it? Done for tonight.

June 09, 2003 7:45 pm Bob in WA

Puzzle answers -- Don't know if anyone here was paying attention, but as I posted these on the eBay board, I will here also. From the easternmost part of Michigan, a line due south will first encounter the foreign countries Canada, Cuba, and Costa Rica, if care is taken to choose a line that misses the tiny cays off Nicauragua.
The "Words of Woe" are all in the lyrics to the American national anthem, "The Star Spangled Banner"
 

June 09, 2003 Jim Lawler

June 09, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

Possible Peter Winter c3a on German eBay
Chris, re: Upside down Jenny's and Peter Winter, the seller mohle, on german eBay seems to be a Winter mega seller, and I found an auction with Jenny on piece, which might be Peter Winter/House of Stamps forgery. The auction description states it is a forgery (but the sleeze bag does not have the decency to say what kind of forgery, by whom and when). Also the auction title does not say anything about forgeries. I sent him/her/them a message (read rant) about smelly sales tactics a long time ago, but received no reply.




 

June 09, 2003 Warner Christy <chris12345@comcast.net>

Just a hello from a retired but new hobby collector
Hello from a retired but new hobby stamp collector

June 09, 2003 5:30PM Bill Weiss

Various
Philatelic Foundation's full correct address is; 70 West 40th St., 15th Floor, NYC/NY, 10018, telephone; (212)221-6555.
BOB; If the Independant State Use would have been correctly described it would have brought, in my opinion, between $50/$100. If on cover, higher. The winning bidder got a great buy by knowing more than the seller!
LAUREL; The postmarks look perfectly OK to me. I doubt that they would have changed the time slug every hour, but they might have. Some Hawaii specialist might know more about that aspect of it than I do, but plenty of US post offices had time slugs in their postmark devices during this period. Hope this helps. The cover is a beauty!

June 09, 2003 17:23 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

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Rob Chesnut, VP of T&S

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June 09, 2003 17:12 Dave ("philatarium")

Hi, Laura! I think that did it. Sorry about the troublesomeness. Don't know why that happens sometimes. Anyway, thanks for giving it a shot, and, now, hopefully someone will be able to answer your question! (Don't be afraid to remind the board and ask again later if you don't get an answer. Sometimes questions accidently fall between the cracks.)

June 09, 2003 TOTT43

Thank you Dave

June 09, 2003 LAUREL ALVES (laura598)

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=688&item=2932427070

June 09, 2003 LAUREL ALVES (laura598)

thank-you Dave
I am afraid to post now ....will it show up on this one?

June 09, 2003 tott43

double listing
BOB IN WA: I would like you to post that same message on stamp offers chat if you would be so kind. I would appreceate it. thanks. TOTT43
 

June 09, 2003 16:56 Dave ("philatarium")

Laura: Hi, Laura. I just happened to check in right during the link posting. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but the way the link was posted won't allow me to edit or delete it. Feel free to just post the url (without linking) in your message, and I'll be happy to make the edit to turn it into a clickable link!

Tott: I'll also repost your message so that it stands separate from the one ahead of it.

June 09, 2003 LAUREL ALVES (laura598)

double listing
BOB IN WA I would like you to post that same message on stamp offers chat if you would be so kind .I would appreceate it thanksTOTT43

June 09, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Trust and Safety on Ebay
Anyone notice this on their My Ebay page,

Join us for a Live Chat with Rob Chesnut, VP of Trust & Safety

They are asking for questions about Trust and Safety, anyone here want to join in.

David Benson



 

June 09, 2003 sveiki!

Jim It was mentioned in both CNN International and BBC World the other day. BTW... last trip for the mail train will be next year. {:o)

June 09, 2003 Bob Hohertz

FIP Web Page
Thanks, Jim!

June 09, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Good luck bob!!

June 09, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

David,
Will do.
Gotta crash.
Trained out.
BTW, I don't think it has made stamp journals yet but Royal Mail has just terminated its rail trains after 170 years of continuous operation.

June 09, 2003 Bob Hohertz

FIP Web Page
I've entered the revenue stamped paper one this year - wish me luck!

June 09, 2003 David Benson

Jim, you may even have a chance to discuss the FIP Web Page competition with Francis Kiddle. If he isn't there ask Patrick for his phone number, they are good friends.

David Benson

June 09, 2003 David Benson

Jim, collectors of pre UPU to Italy are considered to be amongst the top ranking of importance. You might even meet some others there that have a similar interest although most of the Royal attendees are Philatelists and not Postal Historians.

David Benson

June 09, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Sorry, I had to bail out early last night for early train trip.
David
I'll confine myself to pre-UPU covers to Italy.
Though both Royal and Museum have copy of volcano catalog.
Welcome Chris.

June 09, 2003 2340 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 09, 2003 stamp killer

yeah..of course former Yugoslavia cannot be part of my "friend of USA" worldwide(sic!) collection!

June 09, 2003 Roo

Ed.B

Relevance got lost over time with multiple failed attempts at the link , I believe you asked for information on a method of showing the cancels from a scan (Digitally ?? ), I became interested and wondered if what is shown in the link was what you were referring to or if there was another method.

Roo
 

June 09, 2003 2:05 pm Bob in WA

297 invert
Nomad -- I know, I just thought it would be fun to display one, saying "this never existed as an invert, but if it had, it would look like this." So far I have about 2 dozen covers, including an ex-Rosenthal and an ex-Silberberg (Hawaii to Germany) that is illustrated in his book on the Pan-Ams. A probably never to be completed goal is one from each state.

June 09, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Bill, they are extremely difficult to discern as the overprint wore and the appearance becomes fuzzy. I had a look at the better stamps and the good 15f. Harvester looks OK as well as the high value Parliaments. Some of the Postage Dues don't look right.
David Benson

June 09, 2003 01:29 Ken Srail

PF phone: (212) 221-6555, fax: (212) 221-6208

June 09, 2003 Richard Warren (sayasan) <rwarren99@yahoo.com> http://www.bilston73.freeserve.co.uk
 

chuck harm - Just caught up with expertisation query re peacocks etc. Hmmm. This is going to sound lame, but let me pick a brain or two elsewhere and get back to the board later on this. As it happens, I don't own a single certificated item, though I have a few that could use it. But I'm happy with them, and they're not up for sale, so no rush. On the other hand, I took a close look the other day at a couple of identical Henzada peacocks I've had for a long time, and found that I was looking at clear double overprints - indigo over blue. Which was a nice surprise. (In fact I could almost make a case for one showing as a triple.) As one is a duplicate, I was considering selling, and wondering about investing in a certificate. I'll let you know what advice I get. Sorry to defer! Cheers, RW.

June 09, 2003 nomad55

Bob in WA.....tad difficult to do, since the 5 cent does not exist as an invert, so why try and fake one? Five cent Pan Am used solo to Europe on cover are easy to find.

David S.......PF, 70 West 40th, NYC

 

June 09, 2003 12:25 David S. <shuzilla@hotmail.com>

Philatelic Foundation of Nomadic People
Could somebody please tell me what the new PF address is, or where I can find it? My recent round-trip cost over $15. Thanks.

June 09, 2003 11:43 Bob in WA

As for the individual mentioned in the original post, the "hh" guy, I recognize that name from over a year ago when he made some EXTREMELY vitriolic and obscene posts on eBay chat. Some were pulled by eBay for the language.

June 09, 2003 11:30:54 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Yugoslavia
David I've put the next section up, the Croatia-Slavonia portion 1918-1919... I think there are several here that are likely bad. Please let me know if you agree. (There's a hint in the image numbering as to which I think are bad)

June 09, 2003 1915 BST Ed.B

Ed

June 09, 2003 11:14 Bob in WA

Independent state usage
Brian and Bill -- I found this quite fascinating. So my question is, if it had been described fully as you guys showed us, with all sorts of words like Confederate and Independent for searchers to hit on, perhaps also a dual category into CSA, what would have been a likely winning bid? I'm happy you found it, Brian.

June 09, 2003 10:22:47 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Double listing
I think it's also a disservice to the seller. You never know what the final auction price is going to be until the end of the auction. Unless the auction that closes second is already at a higher price than the first auction's closing price, the seller has no way of knowing that they got the best price. And in that case, it'd be unethical to sell in the second auction, since the first one was allowed to close.

June 09, 2003 8:54 am Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Now having said that, I don't think my case is the same thing, because I'm basically advertising my ebay sales on my website and directng them to it.

June 09, 2003 Tad Mackie <tmackie@cox.net>

Quiz
Or some kind of patent cancel? The left stamp appears to have three distinct tiny holes under the ear, plus some other disturbance.

June 09, 2003 08:45 Tad Mackie <tmackie@cox.net>

Stamp Quiz
Could it be grilled?

June 09, 2003 nomad55

Brian...it's not visible to the naked eye, but using a jeweler's loupe, you can see the seam lines where the vignette had been cut out and flipped over. Actually, a very well done effort for 100+ years ago.

June 09, 2003 Bill Weiss

Stamp Quiz
BILL C; OK, I'm stumped too! It's not a NYFM, and the cancel isn't really that "fancy". I don't see any plate variations - what's up??

June 09, 2003 Brian R

Bill C Knowing that your the NYFM collector, I'll have to go with nomad on this one, and say its the cancel. BTW--I DIDN"T recognize the Pan-Am cover as bogus! Nomad, please enlighten us what gives it away.

June 09, 2003 nomad55

Bill C......On Brian's I recognized immediately the reason, but Bill W beat me to the keyboard. On your pair of three's I'm stumped. The cancel might be an NYFM (soaked off a cover to England perhaps?), but the stamps themselves don't seem anything special.

Please enlighen those of us who are unaware.

June 09, 2003 nomad55

Guess no one recognized my Pan Am invert cover for what it really is. I should mark it with Bill Seymour's 'faux' rubber stamp on the back. It is a fake that someone concocted way back in 1901, and I bought it as such. The cancellation is genuine.

June 09, 2003 7:41 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 09, 2003 7:40 Bill Claghorn (claghorn1p) http://www.geocities.com/claghorn1p/
 

Forgery Identification Site

June 09, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

Brian

June 09, 2003 6:25AM Bill Weiss

Stamp Quiz
BRIAN; what do I win if I get this right? This was a usage of a Union stamp in Alabama as an Independent State prior to being admitted into the Confederate States of America. Please send my prize!

June 09, 2003 05:36 Mike in NC <meostamps@aol.com>

Dave F A late "congrats and thanks" from me for setting up this board. Giving people the freedom to discuss things without the censorship problems of the Ebay board has led to several good and informative exchanges lately and hopefully many more in the future. Mike in NC

June 09, 2003 Jim Lawler <jlawler@comteck.com>

Jim L.

June 09, 2003 Mark Bardell

Prestige Booklet
Colin - thank you very much for passing that onto Jim.

Mark.

June 09, 2003 04:01 Jim Watson

Good Morning, Everyone!
Today's dated postal history item is a picture postcard from Kiautschou to Austria in 1906.

Would you believe that practically all of the Google references to Kiautschou deal with stamp collecting? Amazing! Another one of those things that only stamp collectors know about.

June 09, 2003 6;29 TOTT43 <TOTTENHOME@AOL.COM>

DOUBLE LISTING
We will see just a test of what can happen im going to find ut

June 09, 2003 stamp killer

Banned coca-cola..and buy Mecca cola 20% of profit go to Palestinian territories...:-))))))

June 09, 2003 David Benson

Roger and Richard, I think it is totally unethical. If someone wants to list it on another site after it is unsold no problem but in no way should material be listed on 2 sites and sold to the highest bidder. Placing an item for sale at an auction is a contract to sell it to the highest bidder and sellers who use this practice should be banned.

David Benson

June 09, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Double listing
I also don't have a problem with it. In fact I do it all the time. I'll list an item on ebay that I also have advertised on my website (not a duplicate item, but the same one). Where I guess I differ is that for the duration of the ebay auction I will not sell the item off of my website, but instead I direct them to my ebay auction where the item is usually listed at a special discount for 1 time only on ebay, and encourage them to bid.

June 09, 2003 Roger H

Double listing
Jake -
I've seen a couple of references over the past few years and didn't think much about it. Seeing the situation pointed out again, and thinking about, I don't have a problem with it. It's almost like putting a car out on the Used car lot with a price on it, and also at the same time advertsing in two newspapers and Auto Trader. First person with the best offer gets the car. I don't see how Ebay can bitch, they get a listing fee and are just a venue (LOL). I don't rememebr reading anywhere that Ebay has exclusive sales rights for any item advertised on Ebay. When visiting other categories such as Cameras, one finds multiple auctions for identical items. I'm convinced if one were to phone the company and make a legitimate offer on a camera, I don't doubt Fedex would have it at your door in 3 days or less.
Generally unused stamps could be sold in this manner, for example year sets. You want a 1989 year set of Switzerland you could get it, no problem. I don't think this would work with used individual items as successfully. It could become a mightmare if one's computer skills weren't up to the task of tracking the different auctions on the different sites.
I guess I don't have a problem except where sales close too close together causing confusion on the sellers part, which of course will slow down his business.
Roger

June 09, 2003 Jake

Richard B.
Thanks Spain_1850-- maybe it is good marketing, not sure I could sell that way, but i guess if its legal, than what ever works.

June 09, 2003 Jake

Roger H.
Would listing the same auction on two different auction sites be ethical? IMHO is I think not, but maybe I'm the only one besides flyby who feels that way??

June 09, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Jake - But not all his Stampoffers auctions are on ebay. I was just wondering if he (Karl) didn't realize he had already listed the Stampoffers items before listing the same on ebay. They appear to be several days apart and he could have just forgotten. I know I'm constantly forgetting that I have bids on certain items from different auction sites. I'm also not sure it's a big deal unless they happen to end at the same time with bids. I see lot's of sellers that offer items on ebay while at the same time offering the same item out of a store, first bidder/buyer takes it. I guess all he has to do as soon as he get's a bid on one, is cancel the other.

June 09, 2003 20:55:10 HST Roger H

stamp killer -
No, I wouldn't do that . Too many overprints, etc possibly requiring certificates. Takes the fun out of collecting when one is always second guessing one's own judgment. Most forgery candidates were originally caused by a goverment bureaucracy screwing up and in some way creating an overprint, surcharge, printing on wrong paper (always slow on decisions, quick on orders), machines breaking (different perforators used in emergencies) no suitable spares, etc, etc. Perfect fodder for the forger, he copies government screwups. What can I say, they were the whistle blowers of their times, only now we need experts to detect much of their work.

Roger

June 09, 2003 Jake

Spain_1850
Saw your post on Stampoffers, it appears it is not a mistake, checked out what flyby posted and all the auctions Karl has up on E-Bay are also on Stampoffers.

June 09, 2003 stamp killer

Roger H....no problem..i live on swiss border..and i know quite well swiss thoughts on USA...nothing different of the rest of europe..maybe i should add Mexico to my collection..what do you think???..uhmm..:-))))

June 09, 2003 Fly-By

Just my humble opinion, but it apears that this seller Karlhh as all the same auctions up on E-Bay as he does on Stampoffers. Talk about covering all the bases, makes you wonder if he has the same up on Stamphead and Yahoo.
Guess you tke the highest bidder than cancel that auction out on the other auction site.
Would anyone like to venture an opinion on this type of selling?

Stampoffers

E-Bay

June 09, 2003 Brian R (briguy)

Magnoilia JohnO.K., I'll bite. Do you really have a pair of Pan-Am inverts? For the purposes of this question, examples from the modern S/S don't count. If so, I say link 'em to the board! Most folks only get to see such things behind the glass of an exhibit panel.

June 08, 2003 COVERWIZ

Kennedy card
I presumed people would know this President Kennedy thank you card was printed and not autographed, but judging from the bids, I guess I may be wrong... I'll check with the bidder and see what he/she assumed. Another ethical question.....

June 08, 2003 Fly-By

Here is another, guess you go with the auction site that yields the highest bid and then cancel out the other auction. Does anyone have any comments on this.Stampoffers
E-Bay
Talk about being greedy. Is anyone familiar with this seller?

June 08, 2003 Fly-By

Just found that the same seller also has this lot also listed on two different auction sites at the same time as well
Seems to be some kind of scam going on here , check these out
Stampoffers
E-Bay

June 08, 2003 Fly-By

NOIP Is it legal to sell the same exact lot on two different on line auction sites such as these.E-Bay Auction Site
Stampoffers Auction Site
Inquiring minds would like to know.

June 08, 2003 John@Magnolia stamps

If you will send me your email address I send you some pic's of my pan am inverts,both are used.

June 08, 2003 Fly-By

G'day

June 08, 2003 Chris Ceremuga <ceremuga@hotmail.com>

Peter Winter
Bill: Peter Winter's offers changed over time and I would need to go through my files to see whether I can find copy of a list with C3a.
On the site below there are scans of 1988 list with some US material, but no C3a obvious:
http://www.seymourfamily.com/billclaghorn/HouseOfStamps/index.htm
There was a series of articles published by Robson Lowe about Winter's fakes and I will check that as well.
The fakes being photo-litho reproduce the design well. But of course on any closer inspection they fail quickly as in many cases engraved, photogravure or topographed stamps were copied. There were several issues though (Moldavia "Bulls" springs to mind) where he had plates (made by others?) in the same printing technique as the originals
eg: Moldavia "Bulls" = topography.
I have several times seen his fakes nicely "salted" into collections at some European auctions.
 

June 08, 2003 7:03PM Bill Weiss

Peter Winter
CHRIS; you mention a "pricelist". Do you have a copy that shows this item or similar items? David; if it indeed is this modern than indeed, it is rubbish. I would like to see something in print that I could send to the owner. By the way - this item never sold, so if I can provide the owner with something in print, and as he's an honest guy, I believe he would destroy it.

June 08, 2003 7:00PM Bill Weiss

Duh!
I posted the same basic item twice! I didn't remember submitting the first so did it again. Duh!

June 08, 2003 Chris Ceremuga

C3a invert forgery
Bill: The Peter Winter forgery of the C3a would be mid-late 1980's vintage = modern rubbish in my opinion. Most of his productions were "nicely" photo-lithographed, and the C3a would probably be so, although possibly he might have done something different with it. From his pricelists most items could be ordered either mint, used or on "cover".

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Bill, Peter Winter fakes are from the 1990's not 1920's.

over and out,

David Benson

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Chuck, caught me just as I am about to go out for the day. It is a common mistake and made regularly be sellers who are not conversant with HK. There is a regular who who has a web page on the Burma. he will no doubt contact you when he sees your interest. Any rarity of India should be certified especially the officials and the KGV CEF Hi Values mint or used. A Royal is the best for those.

David Benson

 

June 08, 2003 6:30PM Bill Weiss

Fakes
I agree with David that modern crap should be rejected as that's all it is - crap, and I agree with BOB that the vintage and the maker enter into the desiribility, but I frankly do not know where to draw the line? Forgeries of US Locals & Newspaper stamps, for example are extremely popular to specialists. This "Winter" fake had period-looking gum, similar paper and colors, etc., how do I know if it was printed in 1920 (two years after issue) or in 1950? I don't have the answers, just the questions! Do I have the right to tell a respected consignor who obviously feels the item to be worthwhile, that I have decided to draw the line at HIS forgery?

June 08, 2003 Chuck harm

Hong Kong mis-id
David and others. Sorry about my lack of decription. It was one of the Hong Kong 1891 overprints (30c on 20c) without the Chinese character. The good news is that I got a nice reply from Hadleigh and he changed the auction to a correct identity and lowered the price to an appropriate level. You can't ask for much more than that. It is auction #2933242800.
Regarding experization I was specifically interested in India, Burma, Hong Kong and Malaya & States. On Burma specifically interested in peacock certification. In India curious as to which stamps really need certification. I would expect some of the early high value officials and wondered about whether the KGV used CEF stamps should be certified as they are pretty scare postally used.

June 08, 2003 David Benson

Bill, how does anyone tell when a fake was made apart from the fact that it may be on modern paper. If it looks old, smells old then it is no problem selling them but if it looks like it was made yesterday then back it should go no matter who the consignor is.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 Roger H

stamp killer
You should have discovered Switzerland. Neutral though and through, and I don't think they care too much about anyone else either. Looks like you let politics get in the way of your collecting, sort of like looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction in those countries. If you don't find them here, go look for them elsewhere. True rarities, in fact. Hawaii has only one WMD, the sun and beautiful weather. It takes incentive away from the masses, a virtual brain replacement.

Roger

Knud-Erik: Thanks for the link to that site. I've found a couple of really neat items.

June 08, 2003 6;45PM Bill Weiss

Fakes
I agree with DAVID that the modern crap is just that, and I agree with BOB that the vintage and the maker are important factors to consider, but frankly I do not know where to safely draw the line? Forgeries of US Locals and US Newspaper stamps, for example, are extremely popular with specialists. This C3a forgery was well done, gum looked old, paper looked right, etc. I don't know when it was done, but suppose it was done in 1920 (2 years after issue)? Would that then make it more acceptable? I don't have the answers, just the questions. Who am I to tell a respected consignor that I have decided where to draw the line? If it was modern, OK, but I don't know that it was. Understand?

June 08, 2003 6:35PM Bill Weiss

Hindenburg Cover
DAVID S.; I'll try to offer a little help. The first flight leaving for the US after April 26 was on May 1, which of course, was the fateful last flight. Why your cover never got on board is a mystery because it had plenty of time to get from the mailing city to Friedrichshafen, but since it has no other markings on it, it is safe to assume it went by boat. Best I can do.

June 08, 2003 Brian R

2c pan-am inverts
Nomad Like the cover, with a pan-am expo cancel no less! Wouldn't you like to go back in time and smack whoever opened it so roughly around the stamp?! I understand not many of those 2 cents are known used. I also understand that quite a few of them are believed to have been used and their whereabouts are unknown. Do you have any idea, if recently (say last 20-25 years), any genuine examples have turned up?

June 08, 2003 4:45 David S. <shuzilla@hotmail.com>

Question on Trans-Atlantic mail, 1937
Greetings, Board. My interests are mostly in early U.S. single stamps, but every now and then I aquire something completely different, like my CGH "woodblock," because it's really interesting.

In this case I have a cover mailed from Magdeburg, Germany on the 26th of April, 1937, that arrived in Buffalo, New York, on or prior to May 9. It has a 75pf Hindenburg frank, a "mit luftpost" label and is marked "LZ 129" in pen in upper left corner. There is also a note stamped in German which states that the sender did not furnish a return address.

Now, I know it is not salvaged Hindenburg mail. It is not singed or charred, though it does have a few black watercolor-like smudges that are not ink. What I have been trying to find out is how this cover got to Buffalo from Germany; especially why it DIDN'T make the Hindenburg trip, and why there are no back stamps or receiving marks and no other marks or hand stamps than described above. I am resigned to the fact that without more information it may be impossible to say for sure, but I'm in a position of being completely ignorant on the subject of trans-Atlantic mail at that time, including the co-existence of air mail service from Germany other than derrigible.

Any ideas, opinions, or directions would be welcome. Thanks.

David

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

i know...anyway stamps litterature is always very poor..thanks for your time..need same sleep..

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Stampkiller, most catalogues are just price lists, if you want to study the material then you need a specialised handbook on the subject and there are many handbooks on the various areas.

David Benson
 

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

:-))..David Benson..which is the best catalogue for study Japanese occ?

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

David Benson..ok...read this..i wanted to collect worldwide....but i said to my self that there are too much stamps..so i started a collection called "Friends of USA"..at the beginning i thought it was again at worldwide collection..but then ..i had to exclude China..uhn..North Corea,of corse almost all the middle east..and Indochina..no Vietname..of course..and..which african country?..no one of course...so then we have to exclude Russia..uhm..almost all the european community..and also the south America(how many dictatures under cia there?:-))..so at the end it seems to me..that in my collection will be enclosed USA +British commowelt * Israel..and nothing else..ehy..USA..95% of world is out :-))))))))))

June 08, 2003 David Benson

A subject was just brought up, the problems with Japanese Occupation overprints and also the various chops and how to discern them,

David Benson

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

who?????????

June 08, 2003 David Benson

stamp killer, bring up an interesting subject and it will be discussed,

David Benson

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

who care about this poor regular posters?

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Chris, nothing personal but my wife says that you need a haircut,

David Benson

June 08, 2003 stamp killer

bla bla bla...

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Chris, are you using a glass or scanning and using a monitor for close up work.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Chris, when I was doing the PSNSW Postal History auction I was given about 200 Japanese occupation of Malaya overprints to classify and lot. the 1st. thing I did was check the mint for toned gum. If it had toned gum it went into the maybe, if it had white then it went straight back to the vendor. About 80% went back and I was 90% sure the others were OK and listed them. they all sold, mainly to expert collectors who never queried them and had inspected them. None of them informed me that any were bad. About 2 years ago our friends in Clarence Street had a lot and BSY told me that most were bad. I had a quick lot and most were on white paper.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 Chris Ceremuga

Dave: Not quite day off from work - working on sorting my material. Also need to check o whole pile of Jap Occup of Malaya and determining the subtypes of the boxed ovpt h/s is laborious especially if poorly struck - but that is the only way of authenticating them, in conjunction with comparison of the ink.

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Chris, welcome to chat, sounds like you got a day of from work, must be a public holiday, what is it, some British sheila's birthday or something,

p.s. just been reading the honors, can't find your name there.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 Chris Ceremuga <ceremuga@hotmail.com>

RPSL & expertizing of British Asia
RPSL are the best for 19th Century classics (especially because of access to comparison material in the Royal & Tapling collections) but less so for 20th Century overprints. For example for WWII Japanese Occupation of British Colonies, by far BPA Expertizing certs are preferable.
RPSL certs for those are also mostly correct but for example I did recently examine a North Borneo 1944 $5/$1 SG J34a that the RPSL cert calls a "$1", fails to mention the little straightline h/s overprint and designates it as SG J32 ("luckily" the overprints are genuine).
I would not even mention that "other" British expertizing service "XXXXX XXXXXXX Expert Committee" as as for example most of their certs for Japanese Occupation that I have seen have been incorrect (often quite poor fakes certified as genuine).
And I prefer not to comment about US certs for such material.....

June 08, 2003 Roo

ed845

Nights sleep and fresh eyes , here is another go at a link , Please forgive previous failures.

HERE


Roo
 

June 08, 2003 15:32 Dave ("philatarium")

Richard B:I agree with you. I don't see any of the boards as being in conflict with each other. I am also hoping to have links page soon, and am happily planning to link to all of the ones I know about, and will look for recommendations on others. (I also liked Vic's suggestion about brick-and-mortar store recommendations, and may take that up here as well.)

In my defense (not sure I need to be defensive), this board has only been up for about 3 weeks (initiated May 16th), and since this isn't my job, but just a labor of love, I hope it's ok if this board is a developing work in progress.

Now off for a while to run errands. BBL.

June 08, 2003 nomad55

ARRGGGHHH! Wrong pic. (fumble fingers strike again)

try again

June 08, 2003 nomad55

Inverts
Here's my favorite on-cover invert...

1901

June 08, 2003 15:26:45 PDT Bill Seymour <billsey@dsl-only.net> http://www.seymourfamily.com
 

Marking your territory
Here's my latest acquisition... Not the stamp itself, but the stamp that made the marks on the back. All forgeries I'm sure of in my collection will be targeted for it. :-)

June 08, 2003 15:22 Dave ("philatarium")

Jim: I should have added that I was also paranoid about their non-merchant bent. I had been warned by someone credible that a member was either sanctioned or expelled (I knew at the time; can't remember which right now) just because they had stepped behind a dealer's table at a major show. That was relevent for me, because I turned down an opportunity to buy a couple of monthly local stampshows here in So Cal because I knew I would have to rescind my membership, and, at the time, I thought the membership was more important than the show. It also made me paranoid about selling on eBay, and so I never did much of it. For that reason, I have felt some sense of relief in not renewing the membership, but I think it's a shame that there needs to be such a dividing line between "gentleman" and "merchant". It makes me appreciate the APS' stance greatly.

June 08, 2003 3:21 pm Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

Off to dine now.

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

IO, unlikely you will meet any other Machin or Volcano collectors although highly probable there will be some that collect GB to the Continent markings. It may help you standing if you did not mention the 1st. 2 areas and only the latter (not that I am saying that some of the members are snobbish) but try to not to engage in conversations with octogenarians or older.

David Benson
 

June 08, 2003 sveiki!

Paolo Have a nice trip to Italy! {:o)

June 08, 2003 15:14 Dave ("philatarium")

RPSL
Jim W-S: I am envious of your visit to the RPSL. I started the membership application process with them in 2000 when I went to the big stamp show there. It took about 6 months for them to get the membership in order, and then it seemed there were always glitches every year with my renewal. This year, I will admit that I got so fed up that I did not renew, as I began to feel that they could rationalize a number of mistakes on the fact that they're the "Royal". Every now and then I question that decision to not renew, but, as I do not collect Commonwealth, and probably never will at a specialist level, that hopefully I'll be ok. But I do wish I could have gone back for a visit while I was member. Soak it up for me!

June 08, 2003 sveiki!

Horadam Please have a look at this page for instructions on how to posting auction images. {:o)

June 08, 2003 15:03 Dave ("philatarium")

Paolo: Bonnes vacances et bon voyage! We'll definitely miss your posts while you're gone, but have a lovely time. (Some time in the next several years I am going to do a culinary tour of Italy, and may consult with you about that.) I am envious of your trip.

Vic: I have been greatful for Knud-Erik's consistent posts of this link on the other board. For some reason, when certain people post it, it stays, but when certain other people do it, it gets deleted, sometimes quickly, sometimes after a while. I only posted one link to it, the day this board got started, and it was deleted within 15 minutes (supposedly as a link to a commercial site, which it decidedly is not). I vowed publicly on eBay that I would not post it again, and have not do so. So I depend on the kindness of strangers instead.

Also, I know there are still several regular posters on both the eBay board and on Richard's board that will not post here. I assume it's a matter of principle, and I respect that. (I am the same kind of person.) But I don't think it's correct to say that I killed the eBay board. This is pretty much eBay's doing, for if they had not been so heavy-handed in their treatment of us, I think most of us would have stayed. The fact that this board has had so many hits and posts so rapidly is an indicator of how the needs of the participants and eBay's objectives had grown divergent.

Anyway, if others are willing to link at eBay, it would be appreciated.

And I do know word has gotten out, as I have heard off-line from some high-level philatelic people who are supportive but would rather not post at this time.

NOIP 1:Has anyone heard from Anne recently? Hope she's doing ok.

NOIP 2:I am working on a prototype for creating searchable archives for the board. It will crude but should get the job done. I'll be posting a link to it in a day or two, and then will solicit suggestions for its enhancement.

June 08, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Not advertizing, but you can't match the "royal" for cert on BC stamp.

Knud-Erik

welcome back!!

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

Bill, regarding modern made fakes. IMO they should not be accepted for sale in any Auction House. They should be returned to the vendor. Some of them can be reproduced by the maker just by pressing a button and if Auction Houses sell them then the butons will keep on being pressed.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 2:43 PM Victor Horadam <horadam1@airmail.net>

General
Dave: Thanks. Looks like a good place, without all of the restrictions of ebay. Glad KE is posting the link, but wonder how long that will last?

June 08, 2003 David Benson <dbenson@bigpond.net.au>

chuck, regarding British Asia certification, it all depends on what country and stamps you have in mind for certifiaction.

If possible could you describe the stamps instead of using Scott's numbers, a lot of collectors (including me) have no idea what a Scotts 62 is.

David Benson

June 08, 2003 2:15 pm Bob in WA

If Sperati ever did a bridge stamp (I don't think he did) I'd love to have one in my collection, and I wouldn't consider it worth a penny less if it had "Sperati forgery" or some such in tiny letters indelibly stamped on the back. Some of his forgeries bring considerably more than the genuine stamp it mimics!

June 08, 2003 14:10 Dave ("philatarium")

Just passing by for a minute, but Paolo, I don't understand your remark. I hope everything is ok...

Vic (horadam):I've been meaning to say welcome! Very glad to see you here! (Glad you got the memo!) Also, thanks for your recent email about the outcome of that overseas transaction. Sorry that I haven't responded yet.

June 08, 2003 13.47 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 08, 2003 1:30PM Bill Weiss

C3a Fake
The "Winter" fake I had did not have the same look of the issued stamp, so to me, it was not very deceptive. It seemed to be printed from a different process than the issued stamp, but the colors were good, perfs looked good, etc. I didn't really like handling it but the owner is a well-respected dealer client in business for over 50 years. Further, there are plenty of folks who enjoy colleting Sperati forgeries and some realize upwards of $1,000. in auction! I know that once such an item (forgery) gets out of an honest auction where it is properly described, the buyer can then try to fool someone, so it is a problem knowing the right way to handle such a situation. If no forgeries were ever sold and collected as such I would then have no problem refusing to sell such an item, but realistically they are sold all the time for what they are, and lots of folks love them. I don't know that it has to be me to refuse to sell one since I see lots of bigger, older and just as respected houses do it too. Am I my brother's keeper, or am I in business to try to satisfy both buyers and sellers?

June 08, 2003 13.27 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 08, 2003 sveiki!

Knud-Erik Here is where I bought the digital camera. {:o)

June 08, 2003 01.00 Colin Judd UK (xzephyr) <thejudds@saltsvillage.freeserve.co.uk> http://mysite.freeserve.com/xzephyr_GB_Machins/
 

Colin

June 08, 2003 Mark Bardell <markbardell@comcast.net> http://www.philatelicnetwork.com
 

GB Booklets
Jim. Thank you very much !!! I'll be away from June 13th - 17th so if you email me during that time I'll respond when I get home. Going to Vegas for a long weekend :o)

Mark.

June 08, 2003 12:49 Jim Watson

Knud-Erik,
Thanks. I was more interested in the sinking date discrepancy which I have now fixed. I'm sure the number lost is an uncertainty.

June 08, 2003 Roger H

C3a
Bob-
I sort of like the bidding pattern of the guy at the bottom of the list. It took him 9 bids to get up to $2.50 then quit. Is that being conservative, or what?
Roger
 

June 08, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

It is call the "tassello" technique. I am happy if many will not understand this expression.
Personally, I will not enter in detail about the subject, for obvious reasons.
Paolo

June 08, 2003 stamp-sick

proooooooooooooooooot!

June 08, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Richard B. there were developed techinques of lifting up precisely an overprint (or cancel) from a postage stamp and replace it with a cut out from a very similar un-overprinted (or un= cancelled) stamp.
There are also some people who are specialized at changing watermak of stamps (without that anyone can notice it , under day light and conventional magnification examination methods, watermak fluid incldeded -- the skill in the trick is that they achieved not to use any glue to stick the two peeled off stamps together).
I would not be surprised the same forgers mastered the "inverted Jenny" specialised collector proof! :-(
(PS: the previously linked auction is clearly the work of a joker, easily detectable)
Paolo

June 08, 2003 12:20 Bob in WA

Bob

June 08, 2003 jim whitford-stark http://www.iomoon.com
 

Mark
Going up to see Colin tomorrow but on thursday I'm going into London for the Royal meeting.
Should be able to pick up booklets at St Martins-le-fields PO.
Will get a few for myself as well.

June 08, 2003 12:13 pm Bob in WA

C3a scam
On that c3a lot, the bidding is quite interesting. The underbidder made a bid at 108 seconds to go, then a series of bids at these intervals (in seconds): 18, 23, 16, 16, 15. The last bid left him 20 seconds to go, time for one more bid, AND THE AMOUNT WAS EQUAL TO HIS BID, SO HE KNEW ONE MORE RAISE WOULD WIN! But he stopped there (or got too excited to complete a bid even though he had more time than he had ever taken before.) Of course, if he had succeeded, it would be just a different sucker to wonder about. Did anyone contact the winner? (or the underbidder?)

June 08, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

c3a
Did Sperati ever attempt it? Seems like it wouldn't be much of a problem for a faker to bleach out the center of a real c3 and print a fresh new inverted center in it's place. Or are they just too well documented to get away with something like that?

June 08, 2003 11.59 Knud-Erik (knuden) http://sudeten.bizland.com/Homepage.htm
 

June 08, 2003 Charles L. Williams <cwilliam@joplin.com>

fake 3a
Bill W... I believe there is information on the Winter forgeries on the SCADS site. Perhaps Sheryll can direct you there.

June 08, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

During the military service, I had the chance to notice how people from a same area of provenance stick together and form impregnable (and dangerous) self-rewarding groups (e.g. the low class privates from Naples). It is thanks to the internet that I find many associations in other places!
That is not meant to be a compliment.
Paolo
 

June 08, 2003 sveiki!

Knud-Erik Fine weather is over. About 30 minutes ago (7:30 pm) it began to storm, rain and thunder like this.

June 08, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Ah, I just got the guts to express my opinion about a blatant mistification of a foreign modern stamp: I would not even pay a large multiple of that amount for the real thing.
That said,
you can imagine my surprise, disgust and frustration that are connected with the realisation of that piece of con-art, the faked "Inverted Jenny".
PGG

 

June 08, 2003 11:55AM Bill Weiss <C3a>

Just to add something to this C3a thing, I wonder how many know that there is really a GOOD C3a forgery that exists? I had one in my last public auction. The owner, a well-known dealer, consigned it with a start bid of $400., which I lowered to $350. He described it as "The famous Peter Winter Fake", but when I asked him if he could tell me more about this he said that a European source gave him the "Peter Winter" info and that's all he knew. It was good enough to fool most collectors who obviously have never seen a real C3a in the flesh. Does anybody know any more about this forgery??

June 08, 2003 10:49 Jim Watson

Knud-Erik,
I found some alternate history of the Westfalen here. It seems a bit more definitive. I've added it to the story. I also found this Westfalen link.

June 08, 2003 10:50AM Bill Weiss

Watermarks
CHUCK; I don't know what to tell you, as if your using a black tray and a good fluid you should be able to see all but yellow & orange easily. Most pros use lighter fluid, but what your using is fine. Some expert committees use a brown background to look at yellow and orange butI tried years ago and wasn't impressed. Maybe your not using enough fluid? I like to put a goodly amount in the tray so the stamp is completely submerged. Anybody else have any ideas why Chuck is having this problem?

June 08, 2003 10:46 Mark Bardell http://www.philatelicnetwork.com
 

Attention Jim W. S.
Hi Jim, not sure how much longer you're in England but would like to ask if you can either direct to the Post Office website part that will allow me to purchase the booklet with the £1 Green Coronation stamp in it. Or, if you would be kind enough, perhaps you could pick me one up and I'll mail you a check on your return to the US.

TIA - Mark.

June 08, 2003 Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

We'll probably find out that those are actually trimmed proofs, inadvertantly glued to stamp-like paper, and that the whole c3a deal was a made-for-collector sham from the begining. What a movie that would make!

June 08, 2003 Brian R

We need to alert Scott, Michel, and others of the existance of the C3b--Offset variety, on magazine stock. LOL

June 08, 2003 John

Duhhhhh !

June 08, 2003 John@ Magnolia Stamps

I'm still waiting for your opion on that stamp!

June 08, 2003 10:04 pm Richard Ballhagen (spain_1850)

I don't get it, the seller of that "c3a" stated, in his email to bjorn, that he could have one for $5 if he wanted. In his ite mdescription hestates that that particular one had been sitting in a collection for 30 years! I'm starting to get the impression that is not being totally honest!

June 08, 2003 09:44 Ken Srail

I wonder if he would accept “stamps” similar to his C3a for payment? Maybe you could just cut an image from a catalog or souvenir card, add your chewed Wrigley’s to the back (full gum, of course!) and total up $100 worth…
 

June 08, 2003 Bjorn Langoren

2red4u, here you go: UNITED STATES AIRMAIL C3a?
 

June 08, 2003 john@magnolia stamps http:// to cheap or dumb to have one
 

Ok folks I missed it!whats all the huff about a c3a.darn I hate missing stuff!

June 08, 2003 PGG Bagaglia

I wonder if Roo
wanted to link this
 

June 08, 2003 sveiki!

Knud-Erik Weather is fine. Sunshine and 25 degrees celcius. {:o)

June 08, 2003 Paolo Bagaglia

Richard B. and Jimbo
Thanks for looking and for your kind comments.

Regarding the 3rd (1854) and 4th (1855-63) kgd. of Sardinia (or Italy, from 1861) Issues, the printing of the frame (resp. lithographed and typographed) not only preceded the embossing, but also the distribution of the gum.
Paolo